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To: nickcarraway

Stating the federalist/constitutional argument is a cop out? No wonder America is screwed.

I am always impressed when supposed conservatives don’t understand basic conservative principles.

Fact: The Constitution leaves things not in the Constitution to the states.

Fact: Marriage in any form is not in the Constitution.

Fact: it is therefor the domain of the states to do or do not as they see fit.

What part of that is wrong?


13 posted on 06/12/2015 1:12:04 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
You are wrong on two levels. First, the politicians who say this "states rights marriage" stuff know full well, that that's a cop out. They know that is not a way to defend marriage. They can say it without ever having any intention of doing anything about it. So the reality is Cruz can say that all day long, but his net effectiveness intention is no different than Obama's. So at the end of the day, Cruz' utility on gay marriage is the same as Obama's. Great. (Not singling him out, not sure any Republican is different on this. Maybe Carson.)

Fact: it is therefor the domain of the states to do or do not as they see fit.

This is a myth the left created to fool conservatives.
Marriage has never been treated as a state issue. The federal government recognizes marriage from any state, as far as taxes, etc. Marriage from ANY state has always been recognized by EVERY other state.

Take bigamy. Can I get married in Georgia, and then in some other state that won't recognize the Georgia marriage? Show me a single case where state by state marriage was effectively used a defense against bigamy charges. I'm waiting.

This is proven again by the fact that once same-sex marriage was recognized in ONE state, it lead to it being recognized in every other state in short order. (Yes, there are still a few states left, but one thinks that will last much longer)

Take Utah. Is same-sex marriage legal in Utah, because people in Utah want same-sex marriage. No, Utah citizens probably want same-sex marriage at the lowest rate of any state. It's legal there, because it's a federal issue. What the citizens of Utah want is irrelevant.

That's why DOMA was enacted. Because marriage is a federal issue, and once same-sex marriage is recognized in one state, it would be forced on the other 49.

Basically, anyone who says marriage is a states' rights issue, might as well say same-sex marriage should be legal everywhere.

The states' right argument on same-sex marriage is less effective than claiming we don't have to pay income taxes, because the Sixteenth Amendment was not properly ratified.

20 posted on 06/12/2015 1:31:37 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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