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To: Billthedrill

On the other side of things, NATO being used as a hammer to smash the former Yugoslavia is a big propaganda talking point in Russia these days, especially in light of George H.W. Bush’s promise to Russia that none of the former Soviet bloc states would be interfered with by NATO (broken by Clinton). That whole mess was precipitated by Helmut Kohl recognizing the independence of Croatia and Slovenia. (Remember that the actions of the politicians in Germany remain distinct and insulated from public opinion.)

NATO has been run by the European Union since the 1990s, basically.


29 posted on 06/11/2015 10:33:55 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Yugoslavia was never a part of the Warsaw Pact, nor in any defensive alliance with the USSR.

Regardless of whether we should have gotten involved, we did no break up Yugoslavia, they did that on their own.


44 posted on 06/11/2015 12:59:43 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Olog-hai
George H.W. Bush’s promise to Russia that none of the former Soviet bloc states would be interfered with by NATO

This is a myth. There has never been such promise. Bush himself and all high ranking members of his cabinet deny it and recently even Gorbachev came out to put out the speculation and said there was never such promise.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/up-front/posts/2014/11/06-nato-no-promise-enlarge-gorbachev-pifer

We now have a very authoritative voice from Moscow confirming this understanding. Russia behind the Headlines has published an interview with Gorbachev, who was Soviet president during the discussions and treaty negotiations concerning German reunification. The interviewer asked why Gorbachev did not “insist that the promises made to you [Gorbachev]—particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East—be legally encoded?” Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”

46 posted on 06/11/2015 1:05:21 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: Olog-hai
“On the other side of things, NATO being used as a hammer to smash the former Yugoslavia is a big propaganda talking point in Russia these days”

Propaganda, that is... Yugos didn't need anyone to help them killing one another, they did it during WW2 and after Tito kicked the bucket It was a matter of time when they do it again.

78 posted on 06/12/2015 3:51:21 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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