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To: semimojo
Ryan is saying that the text will be released when the negotiations with the other 11 countries are concluded. Congress, and the public, will then have at least 60 days to review and debate before the vote.

Here's the problem with that. What the "fast track" authority does is set the ground rules for the debate. It essentially means that once the treaty is actually submitted, it must face and up/down vote, and can't be amended. That is what is really being voted on, not the treaty itself (at this time).

I do not believe  any treaty negotiated under "fast track" has ever been defeated. Could be wrong about that, but I don't think so.

The bottom line is that I do not trust the current marxists in office to negotiate a treaty that is in our best interest. Given the proximity of the U.S national elections, it should wait until after the elections and the next congress is seated.

 

186 posted on 06/11/2015 10:01:03 AM PDT by zeugma (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3294350/posts)
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To: zeugma
Here's the problem with that. What the "fast track" authority does is set the ground rules for the debate. It essentially means that once the treaty is actually submitted, it must face and up/down vote, and can't be amended. That is what is really being voted on, not the treaty itself (at this time). I do not believe any treaty negotiated under "fast track" has ever been defeated. Could be wrong about that, but I don't think so.

The bottom line is that I do not trust the current marxists in office to negotiate a treaty that is in our best interest.

Given the proximity of the U.S national elections, it should wait until after the elections and the next congress is seated.

I think you nailed the facts, and not trusting Obama is a very legitimate concern. I just think the manipulation being attempted using this secrecy argument is bogus.

189 posted on 06/11/2015 10:06:09 AM PDT by semimojo
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