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To: semimojo
No, the negotiations would not be endless. That's silly to say. Your silliness does not an argument make.

Right now, TiSA and T-TIP text are completely secretive and unavailable for even members of Congress to read while TPP text is available for members to review—although they need to go to a secret room inside the Capitol where only members of Congress and certain staffers high-level security clearances, who can only go when members are present, can read the bill.

150 posted on 06/11/2015 7:59:20 AM PDT by Principled (Government Slowdown using the budget process!)
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To: Principled

There’s an old book titled “Showdown at Gucci Gulch” about the process to get Reagans tax reform passed and how special interests and lobbyists distorted the process start to finish.

It’s a must-read book for Conservatives, IMHO.

It also speaks to the inability of the Congress to resist such pressures. Which would only be exacerbated in a far-reaching international treaty (er, agreement) situation.

So I see the need for both secrecy (to shut out outside influenced) and a no-amendment up or down vote (to prevent amendments that would require negotiations to be reopened)

What I don’t like, again, is the simple majority vote rule. Especially for something far reaching and institutionally invasive. Like changing the power dynamic between the President and Congress on immigration issues. 67 votes should be needed for an international treaty (er, agreement) that does that.


155 posted on 06/11/2015 8:09:08 AM PDT by tanknetter
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