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White police officer suspended after cell phone footage showed him wrestling bikini-clad girl to gro
The Daily Mail UK ^ | 7 June 2015 | DAVID MCCORMACK

Posted on 06/07/2015 3:44:34 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: tcrlaf

To add some context to this, the Dindu Nuffins are rioting outside of MetLife Center in New Jersey, right now, at the Hip-Hop Summer Jam Concert.

One NJ State Trooper enroute to the hospital, teargas deployed, more officers enroute. LOTS of pics and vids already on Twitter.
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Thanks for the quick heads-up.

Here’s a link to a short article. I’ll copy (after the link) the first comment from the article which I find interesting.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYC-Summer-Jam-Concert-Police-Riot-Gear-306432101.html

“I was there and someone pulled out a gun. My tickets were over $350 and I spoke to the insurance department. Ticket master over sold the tickets ....... I was standing in one section and they grouped everyone in another section while a helicopter was hovering like they knew something would happen because of this situation. I just arrived back at my hotel and I don’t remember seeing police in gear. I was ducking in diving behind cars like I was in a video game.”


161 posted on 06/07/2015 7:50:56 PM PDT by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose!)
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To: Steely Tom
Love Franks' Baseball
162 posted on 06/07/2015 7:50:57 PM PDT by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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To: Do the math

Yes. I have been afraid for my life. Several times. and I still think this officer was in the wrong.

Every other officer on the scene behaved professionally. One did not. And that’s the one you defend. And you wish he had “gotten rid of some trash”? Sickening.


163 posted on 06/07/2015 7:51:09 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: House Atreides

Mod has now pulled TWO stories I have tried to post about this.

???????????????


164 posted on 06/07/2015 7:56:38 PM PDT by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: FreeReign
"So now pulling a firearm is deadly force."

Attempt to use deadly force. Assume the person pulling a firearm is not a police officer but a non-acquaintance. When police arrive, they find the non-acquaintance who tried to pull laying there, dead, with a firearm. If the police were not fed any kind of screwy story, it would be assumed that there was an attempt to use deadly force.

If it's a rifle, it depends on whether or not there was any attempt to point it at someone or threaten them. But then, too, if the police come to find a dead person with a rifle and one witness who shot them (or beat them to death their bare hands for that matter),...well, you see.


165 posted on 06/07/2015 8:02:49 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: hosepipe

What would Andy do?

166 posted on 06/07/2015 8:03:10 PM PDT by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Damn right I am defending him. He went home alive today, and not in a body bag. If he had not pulled his gun there is a good chance those two thugs would have hurt or killed him. Maybe he overreacted, but at least he survived. Nobody has the right to rush at a police officer like that. What the hell do you think they were up to? Do you think they wanted to give him a pat on the back? Would it have made you happy if those two men had hurt or killed that officer. Do you think they were running towards him for a good reason. I grow tired of all this defending of bad behavior. The place to fight the police is in the courts not on the street. If you run at a cop and he shoots you, then tough s#it.


167 posted on 06/07/2015 8:05:35 PM PDT by Do the math (Doug)
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To: Theophilus

Andy never dealt with the thug crowd.


168 posted on 06/07/2015 8:10:59 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: tcrlaf

Mod has now pulled TWO stories I have tried to post about this.

???????????????
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They might have been duplicates or from a source to which we’re not allowed to link. But it is apparently a screwed up situation where folks who paid big bucks for tickets have been locked out. Hell, I might be rioting and throwing bottles also (not really, but I might feel the temptation momentarily).


169 posted on 06/07/2015 8:15:28 PM PDT by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose!)
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To: Do the math

What you’re missing is that this officer was running out of control even before he encountered anyone at the scene. When he first arrived at the location, he ran onto the scene with a movie-style “tumble” of some kind (watch the video, hard to describe how comical it was), and then started running at people. Before anything else.

And yes, he got home safely. But so did every other officer at the scene, without resorting to the same idiocy.


170 posted on 06/07/2015 8:15:58 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Jonty30

The other cops didnt. In fact they restrained him.


171 posted on 06/07/2015 8:23:08 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: FreeReign

Tell you what, you go out in public and pull a firearm and point it at people. I’ll wager the cops will consider it to be deadly force.


172 posted on 06/07/2015 8:24:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: eyedigress
"Andy never dealt with the thug crowd."

The police of old did. Assume that there's a trespassing issue. First, make sure there is enough manpower present to handle the unarmed teenagers. Then, separate them...

One who is crazy enough to work for a department that doesn't provide backup should pull a stick instead of a pistol if not threatened with deadly force and know how to use the stick in a non-deadly manner.

No strikes to the head except for a deadly attack (e.g., more than one actually threatening or trying to attack). Catch at least one arrestee. If the arrestee gets away, do more physical training. It was only trespassing and maybe evading. Everyone finds their consequences sooner or later.

Let's say there's a real riot situation with 20 police and 40 or more rioters who've attacked. That's possibly serious bodily harm for some. In my opinion, police should be using skip shots with no. 1 bird shot in that situation (ground ricochets to the legs), but they don't.


173 posted on 06/07/2015 8:32:42 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Looks “white Hispanic”.


174 posted on 06/07/2015 8:33:40 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: House Atreides

“In the movie ‘Wyatt Earp”, Wyatt disagrees with Ed Masterson working as a lawman, believing him to be too passive (Earp described Ed Masterson thusly — “He’s amicable”. However, the Dodge City council decides that Ed is more acceptable than Wyatt due to the latter’s excessive force, and fires him, appointing Ed to take his place. Ed Masterson is then later shot dead in the street.”

Yeah. That’s a movie. This isn’t really Dodge City those teenage kids aren’t really drunken cowboys and this cop isn’t Wyatt Earp.
If he’s not in control of himself enough to maintain his professional training, you know, like the other two cops then he doesn’t have any business as a cop.

I’ll give you it’s a hard job and I’m sure any number of people or situations can make you see red. He’s supposed to be a professional who’s trained to not go ballistic because some high school kids were being mouthy or not respecting his authority.
The reality is that he was dealing with the same situation that a typical high school teacher handles daily some unruly suburban teenagers.


175 posted on 06/07/2015 8:34:49 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: familyop
The question was....

What would Andy do....

176 posted on 06/07/2015 8:35:43 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

The video I saw started with him trying to arrest a woman who was clearly resisting arrest, then two morons ran toward him and he was clearly threatened by their apparent attack. If he was stupid then the smart thing to do is to back off and not make the situation worse. My brother is a deputy sheriff, and let me tell you there is a palpable fear out there. The police officers in this country are wound tight, and the tension they feel is real. The cops feel as if they are under attack by our own government, they will make mistakes. Fear makes fool of everybody. I did not see anything in the video that would justify those two idiots to rush at this officer. And I am not ashamed to say that if I was in that situation there would be two less men in the world. My DI said when in doubt don’t hesitate and kill them all. He made it through three wars and was the smartest man I ever met. I am not brave enough to be a cop. I have been a victim, never again.


177 posted on 06/07/2015 8:36:54 PM PDT by Do the math (Doug)
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To: eyedigress

Andy would do acting. But the fictitious character, like the Lone Ranger, has often been referred to by Mafia cops to ridicule clean cops.


178 posted on 06/07/2015 8:39:31 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Do the math

“My DI said when in doubt don’t hesitate and kill them all. He made it through three wars and was the smartest man I ever met. “

This was a bunch of high school kids trespassing (maybe) at a community pool. Not war.


179 posted on 06/07/2015 8:43:33 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: snarkybob

You can check my posting history and see that I’m not gentle on bad cops or law enforcement that serves an evil purpose. But I’m cutting this particular guy some slack...he followed standard procedures for bringing down and handcuffing someone resisting detention. Situations can get out of control.

Maybe he COULD have used better judgment in retrospect, but he was in the situation REAL TIME without the benefit of Monday morning quarterbacking.


180 posted on 06/07/2015 8:43:52 PM PDT by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose!)
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