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To: Dallas59
This was never any of the police officer's business. All of this "hero" and "stolen valor" bullshit is getting way out of hand. This disgraceful incident shows that these silly Valor Vigilantes need to get on with living their own lives. The phonies don't really bother me, and sooner or later they always trip up and expose themselves.

Those of us who are veterans and even combat veterans are no better than anyone else. It might be appropriate to respect one's honorable service, but an occasional, sincere "Thank you" and a humble "You're welcome" square the account. Anything more is undeserved and just embarrassing.

Today's fawning Military and Veteran Worship is not only ridiculous but dangerous. At best, it reveals a society so unaccomplished and insecure that it must invent and overly sentimentalize "heroes" who are nothing of the sort -- it simply cheapens the word. At worst, it risks establishing a new class of privileged people who might begin to like the idea and actually behave like they are better than "ordinary" Americans. There are good and bad soldiers, and good and bad veterans. Good soldiers and good veterans ought to be respected, but history proves that strong armies are to be feared at home.

Let's grow up and act like adults.

30 posted on 06/04/2015 9:12:07 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

Always A Marine nailed it.

So the guy had on the wrong waist plate. Guess what, old folks forget stuff. Hell, for all I know they changed the Uniform regs since I got out, or it was different before my time.

There’s no excuse for the inquisition. That’s a serious allegation to make, and you had best have your ducks in a row to make it.

On the other hand, I’m easy going enough that if a cop at a vet’s event told me my uniform was out of regs and then asked me where I went to boot camp, I’d tell him instead of cussing at him. Of course, It’d be a miracle if I could fit in my Blues today, so that’s all unlikely.

As to venerating vets, all well and good, but it is a good point to remember that in the US of A, we are all citizens together. At least, that used to be the idea.


35 posted on 06/04/2015 9:37:29 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Always A Marine
Today's fawning Military and Veteran Worship is not only ridiculous but dangerous.

Those are great comments and I very much agree.

Vietnam guilt syndrome, when those returning home were ignored and even attacked for their trouble. I agree they need to get over it. It's become down right embarrassing.

I suggest they say thanks by targeting some energy on those who spend more tax dollars on millions of illegal aliens than our veterans.

36 posted on 06/04/2015 9:39:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Always A Marine
"Today's fawning Military and Veteran Worship is not only ridiculous but dangerous."

I've only seen the opposite of that in my locale on the CO Rockies. The only ones who are treated with any respect here are a couple of characters who brag about smoking dope and being Wiccans.

"...history proves that strong armies are to be feared at home."

We had very large military forces at times in the past, while our nation's moral character was the best in the world. Of my father's generation and the generation before him, most men enlisted.

Today, we have a much smaller military force. Look at our nation's moral character now. Not saying a large military force necessarily makes a cleaner nation, although initial training, if rough enough, is good for young men. But a country full of corruption might be more to fear than anything else.


39 posted on 06/04/2015 9:59:41 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Always A Marine

Those of us who are veterans and even combat veterans are no better than anyone else. It might be appropriate to respect one’s honorable service, but an occasional, sincere “Thank you” and a humble “You’re welcome” square the account. Anything more is undeserved and just embarrassing.

Today’s fawning Military and Veteran Worship is not only ridiculous but dangerous. At best, it reveals a society so unaccomplished and insecure that it must invent and overly sentimentalize “heroes” who are nothing of the sort — it simply cheapens the word. At worst, it risks establishing a new class of privileged people who might begin to like the idea and actually behave like they are better than “ordinary” Americans. There are good and bad soldiers, and good and bad veterans. Good soldiers and good veterans ought to be respected, but history proves that strong armies are to be feared at home.


Absolutely correct. I did 30 years and not until after 9/11 did all this bizarre idol worship begin.

1. You’re not a hero unless you actually do something heroic . . . and merely serving in the military isn’t heroic. Example: Every job in the military has its value, but what is heroic about being a top-notch military telephone lineman or base housing clerk who never serves abroad? (Nor does it demean his service or its value because he was never a direct combat troop who heard shots fired in anger.)

2. The military is, as you said, full of good folks and bad folks. They’re human beings. Those who actually served know this as fact.

3. Just give us our earned benefits. Don’t freak over us . . . in a good way or a bad way. Somehow we’ve gotten to where the civilian public thinks all veterans are either (a) damaged PTSD/TBI headcases ready to explode in violence or (b) the love child of Chesty Puller and Audie Murphy. True is, 99% are in between those two and concentrated in the center of the bell curve.


40 posted on 06/04/2015 10:00:59 PM PDT by RetiredArmyMajor
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To: Always A Marine

Well said, friend!


48 posted on 06/05/2015 1:08:09 AM PDT by mbrfl (fightingmad)
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To: Always A Marine

Agreed—stolen valor should be a social faux pas that people would avoid being exposed on.

But wearing old military clothes, etc., shouldn’t be illegal in a free country. We have way too many laws and too much law enforcement as it is.


52 posted on 06/05/2015 1:21:19 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Always A Marine

Well said. I appreciate the sacrifices our military personnel make, and I scorn anyone who tries to borrow their experiences without the cost. But let’s not set up yet another cult of celebrity for everyone in uniform. A simple nod in their direction and a glance can convey all the gratitude a true hero needs.


56 posted on 06/05/2015 3:49:37 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Always A Marine

This deserves a Post of the Decade award!!!

Mrs. AV


62 posted on 06/05/2015 6:23:11 AM PDT by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: Always A Marine

Very well said.

In the middle decades of the 20th century, the idea of being a vet was somewhat expected of males in our society. And there were females too. Most just did their thing without any glory and without any public worship and rarely getting a thanks from a public that served too.

I personally believe that it served us well and democratized and unified the nation. The military and Americans in it did everything from direct combat to KP to logistics and transportation. For many it was 2 and out and that brought in new blood. Those who liked it and were competent, stayed for their 20 or so.

Then in the late 1900s political elites came up the idea of using only a tiny segment of America to actually serve in the military and who could be sent repeatedly back into combat. The military now represents less than 1/2%, and instead of many citizens participating they create a new class of Americans...the warrior class.

Our military has become a hybrid of volunteers and high paid contractors working for highly profitable corporate donors who do the other stuff. The officer class and especially General Officers are becoming more numerous than ever in a military of declining headcount.

Are we seeing a new warrior class of Americans being created dedicated to serving in military and police? Is it good for our country, or is it reminiscent of the Roman legions.


71 posted on 06/05/2015 12:44:06 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Politicians need rated based upon an increasing median income and declining national debt)
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To: Always A Marine
Those of us who are veterans and even combat veterans are no better than anyone else. It might be appropriate to respect one's honorable service, but an occasional, sincere "Thank you" and a humble "You're welcome" square the account. Anything more is undeserved and just embarrassing.

I agree.

75 posted on 06/05/2015 7:34:12 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (PS I live north of San Diego. Come & get me.)
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To: Always A Marine

Well put.

Semper Fi.

L


79 posted on 06/05/2015 8:30:09 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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