Posted on 06/01/2015 9:01:02 AM PDT by don-o
You can well and indeed make your point about your POLICE SNIPER MASSACRE without the unnecessary collateral damage to an innocent woman....”
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Lighten up Francis! NOBODY who posts here has POLICE MOTHER PRIVILEGE with a right to be protected/sheltered from anyone who questions the validity of her(?) postings.
“...But, first of all, I’m not following this story chapter and verse, and the reason I’m not following it chapter and verse is because the story hasn’t yet produced the police department’s side of this momentous event. I mean what is there to follow, until which time that the department gets to speak too?...”
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Are you being sarcastic? The ONLY “side of this momentous event” produced so far HAS been that of the police department. Admittedly, they are (for whatever reason) withholding massive amounts of actual data/evidence. The bikers’ sides? Hell, they’re being held and are, in essence, incommunicado.
OK, I modified it added - - to the modified part:
meeting announced for regular bikers,
outlaws find out & plan to crash the meeting,
cops get wind of outlaws intentions,
-cops set up an armed snare for the outlaws-
things go sideways when the Cossacks and Bandidos start fighting
(fight could have been instigated by an undercover cop)
Good point!
1. The "meeting" was with what looks like a list of kinda mostly buddy-type clubs of varying "outlaw" image (as opposed to criminal record) united by folks who just really love Harleys and motorcycles, for whatever reason (and such reasons go deep, wide, and uniquely American in ALL Harley riders). The meeting was supposedly to discuss new laws affecting motorcycling that were coming up, that kind of thing.
So .. what did the Bandidos or Cossacks intend to accomplish in "crashing" the meeting -- extorting criminal activity from the other clubs? Getting protection? What?? Or was some big drug deal going down? Was it a dispute over turf? Maybe. If so, why on earth would a UC cop initiate gunfire in what would VERY probably have involved fisticuffs or knives? Come one. This wasn't a hole-in-the-wall biker bar on a Friday night, or that kind of crowd. I don't know ... I ain't buying it, or at least maintain that the cop who values his own live over risking so many patrons of a restaurant, for crying out loud ... like provoking a growling dog instead of just backing off.
2. Dead: Bandidos 1, (maybe) Cossacks 8 (maybe), and so far all that can be gleaned is that two, perhaps 4, of the dead had criminal records in Texas.
Something else was going on.
Imagine Baltimore.
Think they’d be THERE?
3. Confirmation that it was probably a gathering of mostly benign buddy-type Harley clubs, is the FACT that only about a third of those arrested have criminal records! Though admittedly, that's only criminal records in Texas .... maybe they have records in other states.
But here's the thing -- a real criminal outlaw biker is going to have a record.
If there's no record, then it's a pretty darned good bet you're looking at a bad-ass-looking dude who loves Harleys and lives to ride. America is blessed with many hundreds of thousands of them from all walks of life for a reason.
That just doesn't fit in with a meeting where Cossacks and Bandidos would be bringing malicious criminal intent to interfere. What on earth kind of wind did the cops get of any intentions, I have to wonder?????
Hey, sport, ping to my 205 and 207.
But the thing is, there are pics of that gathering showing all three motorcycle groups: regular Harley clubs, Cossacks and Bandidos.
And given the variety of cops gathered there, in that amount, means it had to have been planned and coordinated.
Were the dead Cossacks part of an upper echelon of that group?
The something else that was going on that you alluded to in 205 was that the authorities were testing the waters as to how far they could go to supress a group that they considered to be their enemy[ies], and what the public reaction to their cover story be, [would the public buy their story or not]. Their plan succeeded beyond their wildest expectations. From this point in time forward, they know how to deal effectively with any group they expect to be a thorn in their side. The Tea Party and Second Amendment advocates come quickly to mind. Both groups have been maligned to a certain extent by the media. A full court propaganda press can be initiated against both in short order and then their moles can instigate an incident, and whammo! The jackboot lickers on this forum will be drooling on themselves shouting. "They got what they deserved"."Thank the police for keeping us safe"
All of these hundreds of posts and bickering, and this is the reason we jumped on this in the first place. First they came for.........
You must have missed the part where I said that the FR posts on this story are the only source I am using.
I am not seeing it on the news, therefore the FR posts may be the gospel truth, but I have not seen anything here remotely sympathetic to the cop on the beat that Sunday, who was there, or about the police side of the story, or why they were so alarmed, fearful and nervous, leading to what was over reaction to their sense of self preservation. Where did that fear come from? I’ve asked that a gazillion times.
After multiple posts I can not get that question even addressed. It’s just hair on fire responses of shock that someone would ask.
“The Cossacks, a local Texas gang, had been challenging the Bandidos’ dominance, including discussing a possible alliance with the Hell’s Angels, a rival of the Bandidos, Cook said.”
“The biggest provocation came when the Cossacks began wearing a Texas patch on their clothing – “basically a slap in the face to the Bandidos”
Any 99%er biker from Texas seeing the Cossacks there in such numbers would have known something serious was going down and should have left the scene.
“Maybe all the facts will fit their narrative, of harmless gangs and mostly Christian biking clubs going out to eat together.”
No, because the Cossacks were there. See previous post.
“gunshots, stab wounds, blunt-force trauma or some combination of the three”
deserves emphasis —
Cops shooting at rifle range does not account for stab wounds and blunt force trauma.
Biker fighting does account for those wounds.
Consider the possibility that they got it from the same source that told them that in the aftermath, more bikers were inbound to exact retribution. (Swanton's initial pressers.)
Then more "intel" that biker gangs had assets in the US military to obtain weapons and explosives.
I wonder if anyone in Waco LE has considered the possibility that they were being played?
“Consider the possibility that they got it from the same source that told them that in the aftermath, more bikers were inbound to exact retribution. (Swanton’s initial pressers.)”
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That wasn’t intel, but observable fact. There were 50-60 bikers at the Flying J (dispatch audio on conservativetreehouse, near the end).
Both the Tea Party and legitimate gun owners have, in the past, been dragged through the coals by the Democrat propaganda, a/k/ , the media. For reasons known only to them, they as of now, letting both the Tea Party and legitimate gun owners alone. However, the attack on both these groups can be restarted at the blink of an eye. It would not be difficult to "discover" child porn on the computer of one or two of their undercover operatives in either group. Or one or more of their undercover operatives can get "caught" in illegal drug activity. In the ensuing "arrests" someone "resists" arrest and boom, it begins. This is only two scenarios of how false flag operations pan out, and these two may not happen. But, the opportunities for them are endless, and as demonstrated at Waco will enjoy public support.
What retribution did they attempt to do?
Consider how many bikers are out riding on a Sunday and that a Flying J is a normal rest stop or meeting place...
The dots do not connect.
“What retribution did they attempt to do?”
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attempt, or intend?
There is no doubt more information about the group at the Flying J available.
Maybe someone has time to find it and provide more detail.
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