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“You believe that the diamond 13 is a “badge” of a criminal, that “everybody knows this.” “

The Vice Grips are a member of the UCOA. The UCOA links this site that defines the diamond 13.

“Thirteen “13” - Common patch worn by “Outlaw” bikers.”

http://www.rcvsmc.net/index.html

How interesting -- you actually make an effort! During that time, I was doing my own due diligence finding out what the patch of 13 in a diamond meant. The "conventional" take is exactly what you claim, and would be the immediate take-away from someone who did pretty shallow due-diligence.

But guess what, TG? This is only one of many sources, but with the most diverse and arguably most authentic of commenters. Apparently, there are as many beliefs about the "true" meaning of the patch than there are teeth in a gator's mouth. One guy writes: Plus people that have no clue about Motorcycle Clubs can think all they want it means Meth or Marijuana Dealer or a Club Member that has committed Murder or even the Clubs Mother Chapter but I am sure guys that are members of such clubs would know what their own patches mean.

But you won't scroll and read through all 7 pages of comments from Harley riders, will you, Gator? So you'll miss ones like this: 13=Motorcycle Whenever authorities want to instill fear and justify their latest oppression against a singled out group, they change it to MJ or Meth. Same old beat.

I maintain: you are a tool and either a jackboot licker, or a jackboot who likes to have them licked.

Nobody's disputing that it's worn by "outlaw" bikers.

Your mistake is assuming that "outlaw" bikers are by definition drug pushers, pimps, thieves, and murderers.

Again, I come from a very long line of REAL bikers, as in guys who build, fix, ride, Harleys and even Indians -- Burt Munro, (World's Fastest Indian), is in my clan. DREAD GOD, Texas Gator. That's my clan "patch."

I grew up around, and have partied with and taken many rides with, lots of guys who look a lot like the guys on that Vise Grips page and elsewhere. One close relative has had pretty close ties with REAL outlaws of the type you think anyone who wars a diamond patch 13 is, so yeah, I know how wicked and bad-ass some of those guys are. I also know that in their way they have honor and demand but also return respect.

By everything you post here, it is apparent that you have zero honor and extend zero respect to anyone, certainly you have zero respect for the rule of law and the Constitution.