LIVE THREAD: United States Senate debate over NSA Survelliance

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[pulaskibush]

I didn't a post saying LIVE THREAD, so I decided to post one. Senator Rand Paul will likely be able to force an end to some parts of the NSA program by midnight. (1 hour 15 minutes from now)

http://www.c-span.org/video/?326227-2/us-senate-debate-nsa-surveillance&live

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

BUT they HAVE possession of all of your phone records WITHOUT having a warrant.

And what can they do with it, if they can't legally look at it without a warrant?

I am quite positive that the entire motivation behind the metadata collection is ease of access once a warrant is issued due to the potential of a time crisis when hunting a terrorist.

I am perfectly okay with that in every way.

[antceecee]

You are one kwazy wabbit!

[Repeal The 17th]

“...I am perfectly okay with that in every way...”
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Yeah, I am pretty sure that Paul Revere, et al. would have been
“perfectly okay” with the Brits having all of his correspondence
because the Brits had promised they would only look at it
if they thought they might be up to something.

You just keep digging your hole deeper.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

because the Brits had promised they would only look at it if they thought they might be up to something.

Notice, again, that your argument presupposes a violation of the law, but then still blames the law as the problem.

[Repeal The 17th]

You should have cause BEFORE you gather your evidence,
not gather your evidence BEFORE you have your cause.
GET A WARRANT!
How deep is your hole, now?
Obviously it is over your head.

[Georgia Girl 2]

“Which they do, since none of your records can even be looked at except by a warrant.”

You are kidding right? You haven’t been clued in that NSA workers have already been caught spying on their significant others I guess.

No matter the 4th amendment was designed to protect us from this type of surveillance. Nobody needs to be collecting and storing the phone and email records of every citizen in the USA. If you believe that or if you believe the govt has the right to do it then you are part of the problem.

Do you not get that secret courts and big eye in the sky surveillance are the very antithesis of freedom?

Not one single terror threat has been detected or avoided by all of this unnecessary surveillance of American citizens. Just as not one singe terror threat has ever been detected by the unnecessary and unconstitutional TSA groping at the airports. This kind of stuff is never ever for the good of the citizen. Only suckers buy into it and there are millions of them in this country.

Even if all this fascist control and spying did make us safer it is still wrong. Free societies by their very nature are vulnerable. Its something you have to live with.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

You are kidding right? You haven’t been clued in that NSA workers have already been caught spying on their significant others I guess.

Have they? I'd like to see evidence of that. Either way, it be against the actual law itself.

[NYRepublican72]

I have no problem with a specific warrant to a specific individual where the phone carriers hold the data.

I have a huge problem when the government holds all the data.

That probable cause thing does actually matter. The government has no business collecting data on who I call and when I called them.

At the end of the day, I don’t trust the government to use that data in limited circumstances.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Well my fascist friend so sad for you. Looks like they are getting rid of all the bulk data collection on American Citizens phones. But cheer up the secret court will still be in session. :-)

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Looks like they are getting rid of all the bulk data collection on American Citizens phones.

And also the other parts of the Patriot Act that expired until reinstated by Congress. And probably what they're going to do with the Freedom Act, because it is indeed important to have timely access to this data, is create a structure with the phone companies that will allow them the same access they had before as soon as a warrant is issued-- and you guys, being utterly clueless, will be perfectly happy with the arrangement even though there will be no difference.

[Georgia Girl 2]

First read the Freedom Act then post. Well it will likely be too depressing for you as it guts a lot of the original Patriot Act. :-)

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Well it will likely be too depressing for you as it guts a lot of the original Patriot Act. :-)

I was under the impression all it did was move the metadata back to the phone companies, while everything else stayed the same. If "a lot" of the Patriot Act is gutted, then Libertarian fanaticism and ignorant hysteria is literally putting our country in danger.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Well cheer up the FBI is flying spy planes over all major cities with sophisticated imaging and listening devices so the police state is secure. :-)