Posted on 05/30/2015 1:06:20 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
it seems the Ukrainians are fighting fiercely. i give them credit.
but i am suspicious as to why Soros wants to invest $1 billion in Ukraine if the IMF backs it up? which isn’t an investment at all then.
anything Soros supports usually has something dark attached to it.
You’d think that by now, you’d have learned to not post Official Kiev State Propaganda on FR.
As this search clearly shows, this image has been around for well over a year.
https://www.imageraider.com/search/#p00d86032028dfb4e1852b5f28af848a7
I first remember seeing it in RUSSIAN propaganda from last year, about how Kiev was hiding it’s casualties by burning them in Mobile Crematoriums, and then reporting them as “Missing”, so they wouldn’t have to admit the casualties they were taking.
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FOUND IT!!!!
This is just one of numerous story examples with this EXACT same picture with it.
Kiev Urgently Brought into Donbass a Mobile Crematorium
Saturday, January 24, 2015
This was stated by the head of DNR Alexander Zakharchenko citing intelligence militias. According to them, only three of the furnace. “According to our intelligence, APU brought three mobile crematorium in the conflict zone for the destruction of the bodies Ukrainian servicemen. After that, they will be reported missing or taken prisoner, “- said Zakharchenko.
According to him, the Ukrainian military corpses dumped in the area of Sand, Avdeevka and Maori, and, most likely, he said, it will burn them. These people, Zakharchenko said, will be announced the military leadership of Ukraine missing or surrendered prisoners.
http://mycrazyheadlines.blogspot.com/2015/01/kiev-urgently-brought-into-donbass.html
Bar-b-que smoker?
LOL. Multi purpose system?
I never undersetimat the power of putinistas lies
The Kremlin’s new-model war is less military muscle, more propaganda (https://euobserver.com/foreign/127174)
By Valentina Pop
Riga, 22. Jan, 09:07
Aivar Jaeski knows the Russian military from the inside.
A conscript to the Soviet army in his early life, the Estonian-born Nato colonel recalls being stunned how “little training and specialisation” it had to offer its recruits.
Jaeski has co-ordinated info-ops for Nato in Afghanistan and Iraq (Photo: StratcomCoe)
“Basically we were used as cheap labour. I came back from the Soviet army as a pacifist,” he told EUobserver earlier this month in Riga, where he is now deputy director of Nato Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence, or Stratcom.
The centre recently carried out a study of Russia’s propaganda war on Ukraine.
Jaeski, who also oversaw Nato information operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, described Moscow’s campaign as “a psy-op” which uses “very carefully selected messages for targeted audiences in Ukraine, inside Russia, and in the West”.
He said its main tools are false “facts” and images, as well as glorification of Russian military power and political leadership.
He added that “everything we’ve seen so far is driven by the statement made by [Russian leader Vladimir] Putin in 2005, that the ‘greatest geopolitical catastrophe’ of the century was the collapse of the Soviet Union”.
He noted that Russia already used psy-ops in its invasion of Georgia in 2008.
It is part of what Russian general Valery Gerasimov, the chief of the Russian general staff, later called “hybrid warfare”.
But a comparison between the open assault on Georgia ad the covert attack on Ukraine using “little green men” - Russian soldiers in unmarked uniforms who occupied Crimea prior to its annexation - indicates that Russia has invested effort and money to make its tactics increasingly sophisticated.
Gerasimov introduced the concept of keeping blurred lines between a state of war and peace, between professional soldiers (whether in uniform or not) and armed civilians.
The Russian general also put more emphasis on winning the “media war” alongside any military gains.
The advance of social media, and its use of images which go viral without any background checks, in the past few years has helped the Russian side.
Fake images, which have been photoshopped or copy-pasted from reports on other war zones or even from movies, purporting to show atrocities committed by the Ukrainian army abound on Twitter, Facebook, or its Russian equiavlent VKontakte.
“Perhaps the most impressive tool in psy-ops is the image of a crying child. There are some theories which say that the Americans lost the Vietnam war because of the [image of a] crying naked child after a napalm strike,” Jaevski says, referring to one of the iconic pictures of the 1960s conflict.
The Ukraine conflict also has its ‘napalm child’ - a picture of a crying baby with a swastika carved onto his arm.
It was posted on the social media page of “Antimaidan” - a popular pro-Kremlin group - amid allegations that Ukrainian maternity workers did it to humiliate the mother, a woman from the Donbas region in east Ukraine and the widow of a pro-Russia fighter.
“It’s been three months, and the scar is still visible,” the caption reads.
In fact, the picture is an internet stock photo.
It also appears in an article posted in 2008 on the US website Popsugar, but without the swastika, which was photoshopped in at a later stage.
The website StopFake is full of such examples.
It also tries to expose Russian state TV lies, such as its use of actors to play various roles in its reports of Ukrainian “war crimes”, with the same faces appearing now as an activist, later as a widow, then the mother of a deceased soldier, a refugee, or an anti-Maidan participant.
Counter-propaganda?
The EU foreign service is currently drafting proposals on how to react to the Russian media campaign.
The move came after more than a dozen foreign ministers, including from Denmark, the Netherlands, Poland, and the UK, called for EU counter-measures at a meeting in Brussels on Monday (19 January).
But for Jaeski any EU or Nato fight-back must address the whole spectrum of Russian disinformation.
“If we want to counter Russian propaganda today, not just about Ukraine, but also about the fake accusations they make about Europe, we have to unite our lines and speak with the same voice,” he said, referring to Russian reports of how the EU and US sponsored a “coup” in Kiev, or about human rights abuses, economic meltdowns, and homosexual aberrations inside Europe.
“We have to be confident”, he added.
“Our message should be clear. We should continue to reveal the lies coming from that large propaganda machine. And for all of that we should invest more into our capabilities and skills”.
Jaeski admits it is easier said than done, while predicting that Russian state lies will remain a problem for the West for years to come.
But, looking back at his own memories of the shoddy reality of the Soviet armed forces, he says “we shouldn’t overestimate the power of lies”.
“I still believe the truth will win. We should keep telling the truth and stick to freedom of speech”.
That's for all the kittens that Putin is barbequing. I read a story out of Kiev posted right here to FR that he was doing that... so it MUST be true!
PUTIN BARBEQUES LITTLE HELPLESS KITTENS!
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The difference between the Russian mobile crematoriums use & alleges Ukraine is stated above: “thousands of Russian troops are fighting alongside separatists inside eastern Ukraine, and that the Russian government is obscuring not only the presence but also the deaths of its soldiers there. In March, NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow told a conference, “Russian leaders are less and less able to conceal the fact that Russian soldiers are fighting — and dying — in large numbers in eastern Ukraine.”
Hence the extreme measures to get rid of the evidence. “The Russians are trying to hide their casualties by taking mobile crematoriums with them,” House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry told me. “They are trying to hide not only from the world but from the Russian people their involvement.”
Thornberry said he had seen evidence of the crematoriums from both U.S. and Ukrainian sources. He said he could not disclose details of classified information, but insisted that he believed the reports. “What we have heard from the Ukrainians, they are largely supported by U.S. intelligence and others,” he said.
Representative Seth Moulton, a former Marine Corps officer and a Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, was with Thornberry on the Ukraine trip in late March. He tweeted about the mobile crematoriums at the time, but didn’t reveal his sources.”
Both Thornberry and Moulton agreed with Vershbow’s assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin was struggling to keep up the ruse that he has no soldiers fighting inside Ukraine. Moulton said the mounting evidence of dead Russian soldiers is causing a domestic backlash for Putin. Russian and Ukrainian bloggers and activists have been compiling lists of Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine, including details of their service and circumstances of their deaths. New organizations in Russia representing soldiers’ families have sprung up to publicly challenge Putin’s narrative.”
Claim and counter claim...
The first stories of “Mobile Crematoriums” started popping up last year during the fighting for Slovyansk, being used by Kiev to hide the losses they were taking.
Ironically, those stories had this exact same picture, without the cropping.
Sorry, I believe “original photos” created as Russian Federation psych-ops in preparation for their “problem.”
Our government officials have reported direct contact so I guess I beleive them over your discomfort.
“Sorry, I believe “original photos” created as Russian Federation psych-ops in preparation for their “problem.””
Yeah, never mind those pesky facts, right?
Truth.. always doubt anything considered by some to be “facts” from R.F.... even my friends in Russia have learned to read between the lines... a skill necessary fro survival there!
So you are saying Congressman Mac Thornberry is lying and an “ukie troll”?
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