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To: null and void; Nachum; Kartographer; LucyT; butterdezillion; INVAR; Dick Bachert; GOPJ; BCW; ...
H/T to our FRiend don-o for the post.

Folks, this is about to get VERY interesting, in regards to the reaction to an over-reaction. The differences between Baltimore and Waco are stark:

Urban black riots vs. white biker peacable meeting;
Gibsmedats vs. veterans;
Shrinking from confrontation vs. a fussilade of gunfire;
Government ordering a standdown vs. a government tactical operation;

Please feel free to add observations...

For thus has the Lord said unto me:
“Go, set a watchman, Let him declare what he sees.”
Isaiah 21:6

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16 posted on 05/29/2015 5:31:14 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: Old Sarge

I hear you loud and clear.


30 posted on 05/29/2015 5:55:40 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Old Sarge; Texas Fossil; wardaddy; Smokin' Joe; sport

This is an hypothesis I have, which explains and joins most of the various versions of events, including PD and non-PD witnesses. Of course, these are all rumors at this point. But this theory does tie up most versions in one plausible explanation.

It’s a given that ATF and Waco SWAT were already on scene, around the Twin Peaks, both in uniform and undercover, or concealed in vehicles.

It’s been stated in numerous accounts that a first scuffle broke out in the bathroom. Some allege that an undercover cop was wearing “false colors” into the Twin Peaks and was called out over it in the bathroom. IOW, the u/c false biker’s cover was blown. In the bathroom, it became heated, and the u/c cop pulled out his pistol, “badged up,” and tried to get out of the restaurant. Angry pushing ensues, possibly involving other brandished knives/pistols.

On the Waco PD tactical radio channel, all of the SWAT officers outside are hearing, “Officer in peril! Officer is being assaulted! Officer in trouble! Officer has weapons pointed at him! Officer needs help!”

As the little crowd (u/c cop with blown cover, surrounded by angry bikers) emerges from the Twin Peaks onto the parking lot, the already-present SWAT snipers have drawn beads on the Cossacks around the u/c false biker cop. The SWAT guys know who the officer is by a “telltale” such as a unique bandanna etc. They see knives and or guns being pointed at the u/c officer as he tries to flee the scene, his cover utterly blown.

One of the SWAT snipers perceives that the u/c cop is in immediate danger, and shoots one of the Cossacks who is holding a weapon, dropping him. After the first shot is made, it’s a case of “sympathetic shooting.” This was first discussed after the NYPD shooting of the unarmed Amadou Diallo in 1999. Basically, once ANYBODY fires a shot, all the cops will empty a magazine. “Shooting is shooting,” the brain just perceives a battle, not a one-way massacre.

So each of the SWAT snipers, firing scoped semi-auto carbines or scoped bolt guns, “takes out” one or more of the Cossacks around the “officer in danger.”

In the aftermath, the Waco PD has to cook up an alternative “gang war” story to cover their own disastrous actions, from sending in an u/c biker whose cover could be blown, to having a SWAT team on a hair trigger waiting outside, to the ensuing “sympathetic shooting” sniper massacre.

In this case, ballistics and blood trails will tell the tale. Even if the Waco PD tried to sanitize the scene, CSI-wise. Even if the Waco DA tries to strong-arm all 170 arrested bikers into signing “no lawsuit” gag agreements under threat of prison and financial ruin.

The above is just a theory I’m positing, a theory that to my mind explains all the known facts.

The truth will come out.


32 posted on 05/29/2015 5:57:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Old Sarge

No job, no assets, vs. A Harley, bank account, and other stuff to seize


145 posted on 05/30/2015 8:06:29 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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