Posted on 05/27/2015 8:26:59 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
I think you’ve nailed it. Why are so many folks on this site siding with Dems on this issue?
One could just as easily ask why Republicans are siding with Obama.
The answer, of course, is because the Republicans are generally the first ones to be bought off by corporate lobbying. While I have never voted for a Democrat in my life I realize (regardless of my preferred presidential candidate) that free trade is not in my best interest.
Ok well explain to me how trade was different then compared to now?
Enactment is not until the final agreement has been published for 60 days. And, then, only if Congress, having heard the reactions to the final agreement, votes to enact.
IOW, Cruz and the rest have voted to let Obama negotiate an agreement, subject to lengthy guidelines, in the hopes that he will somehow rise above being Obama and produce an agreement worthy of enactment. If not, then not!
The upside exceeds the downside.
What you describe with the 60 day published period and congress voting to enact sounds somewhat reasonable. But the devil is in the details.
Just recently, I heard on the radio or read that the action by Congress following the 60 publish period is not a binding action on the President, but more like a resolution or statement. Do I have a way to verify this? Does anyone else have a way to verify to the contrary?
That’s what is so troubling about this process. Legislation locked up in the basement somewhere in a place a Senator is allowed to “go read” but not allowed to get a copy. It stinks, frankly. There’s a simple way to clear it all up. Publish it in its proposed entirety, and not just some early version without all the points that really matter.
That’s all I’m looking for. It was all anybody really wanted with ACA. But we never got it, and we are relegated to continual bad news about what Obama has decided on how we get our healthcare.
That's the problem. The agreement doesn't yet exist. You can't publish what doesn't exist.
What was voted upon was an authorization for the executive branch to negotiate an agreement, subject to a list of requirements.
Then, once the final agreement has been reached, Congress gets to vote it up or down after the final version has been aired out for 60 days.
Upside: If Obama plays it reasonably straight, we have an advantageous agreement, yielding net economic growth.
Downside: Obama lards the agreement with progressive nonsense, and Congress votes it down.
I am NOT talking about publishing some future trade agreement. I am talking about publishing the legislation that precedes it. Just publish it and let us all read it is all I’m asking.
I guess one could paint and perfume it all with interpretations or intentions, but the clearest way to prove whether or not Congress’ judgment of any future trade agreement is BINDING on the President or not. I recall that it is not. You say differently. All I want is something in writing (the legislation that defines it).
How difficult is that? Just the words on paper. I just don’t trust anything those people say or do any more.
Another manufacturing worker here. I’ve been working 60+ hours/week since the beginning of January. Don’t let anyone grind you down. They’re likely sitting on their asses and collecting SS checks.
What we are doing now isn't? LOL
Manufacturing is manufacturing whether it is a stone axe or a space shuttle.
Study history and politics before you post.
And it appears to have the paleos in a tizzy. They want the government to help them.
I agree with free trade. The confusion I have on the issue as it stands today is WHY Republicans think Obama can be trusted with this power....they are about to hand him an almost blank check on this part of the economy.
He has proven himself SINGULARLY UNTRUSTWORTHY on every issue: domestic AND FOREIGN. This bill uniquely combines the two.
Somehow, I am certain, Valerie will instruct her charge to use this newfound power in an abusive manner.
Frankly, this is how I view the NSA and other government surveillance....like any weapon, in the hands of moral men it is useful. In the hands of immoral men, these weapons are used to oppress law abiding citizens.
So I would like to hear why BO can be trusted on free trade.
Why would Congress give give any power to Obama? Here comes lower wages more illegals and less for US Citizens. Citizens who work will give many more of there $$$ for those who will not work.
You know you’re really in trouble when someone says, “We are from the government and we are here to help you.”
Falls right in-line with his support for increasing the number of H1B Visas (the OUTSOURCING Visa) by 500% - which this treaty will help enable.
So he is doubling down on his obvious desire to cater to corporate donors by enabling them to import cheap labor to undercut American workers.
And if you think the H1B abuse is restricted to just Information technology and Computer jobs, you’ve got another thing coming...take a look at the list of H1B elligible occupations:
http://www.h1base.com/content/h1boccupations
H1B Ping...
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