Posted on 05/23/2015 5:30:48 PM PDT by PapaBear3625
Nuclear power plant technicians, senior military officers, FBI contractors and an employee of “a highly-secretive Department of Defense agency” with a Top Secret clearance. Those are just a few of the more than 100 people with sensitive military and government connections that law enforcement is tracking because they are linked to “outlaw motorcycle gangs.”
A year before the deadly Texas shootout that killed nine people on May 17, a lengthy report by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives detailed the involvement of U.S. military personnel and government employees in outlaw motorcycle gangs, or OMGs. A copy of the report was obtained by The Intercept.
The report lays out, in almost obsessive detail, the extent to which OMG members are represented in nearly every part of the military, and in federal and local government, from police and fire departments to state utility agencies. Specific examples from the report include dozens of Defense Department contractors with Secret or Top Secret clearances; multiple FBI contractors; radiological technicians with security clearances; U.S. Department of Homeland Security employees; Army, Navy and Air Force active-duty personnel, including from the special operations force community; and police officers.
(Excerpt) Read more at firstlook.org ...
Are we about to have a merge of TWONA and biker threads?
:D
Him: “Hey hoss..Jesus Delgado Rodriguez was a known associate of the Bandidos, according to his own family. In fact lots of ex-military are in or are associated with the outlaw MCs. Veteran status isn’t a hall pass for bad behavior.”
You: “I told you there would south bashing race baiter yankees amongst the DONT DARE QUESTION THE COPS trolls. It was a given.”
The guy brings out a fact and states an honest opinion and he is called a south bashing race baiter yankee. You are not only judged by the company you keep but also by the posts you make. You posted earlier to me about ‘my associates’ and the type of posts they make. I have not seen all of their posts but your post is, well, not in good taste.
“The hyperbole on these threads has achieved critical mass hysteria.”
When it starts with cops execute our fellow gangstas, it doesn’t take long to get there.
Sort of like when a Cossack punches a Bandido. Doesn’t take long for all heck to break loose.
“I realize thats not your fault but this thing is not breaking your way at least as Freepers go”
It is not my goal to win the war of personal attacks and zots. As more comes out, it appears that certain bikers are getting more an more defensive. It appears that the truth is not breaking in their favor.
I’m getting curiouser and curiouser whether the brawl was, in fact, a double cross of Cossacks by Bandidos who got a little too big for their bandanas, so to speak.
IF SO, a big huge fat IF, then yes Bandidos pretty much look to deserve the wrath that has fallen upon them. Maybe investigation will narrow down who of the Bandidos actually was in on the double cross, but a first order suspicion would be “everybody.”
This isn’t a blind salute to all the police and prosecution actions by any means. Civilized canons of justice remain that people are penalized not for who they are or even their reputations, but for what they were shown to have done.
This is at best a morass of speculations based on claims and counter claims by people who are the biggest truth tellers on earth /sarc.
“And in the meantime whatever the debate between Bandidos and Cossacs, there is no excuse whatsoever for holding gospel riders, with allegiance to no 1% club at all (CoC or otherwise) under gang activity accusations, unless they were actually caught partaking in the fighting. “
I just found this. Apparently you have been misinformed.
Arrest warrants for each of the Waco defendants spell out the basis for jailing them: They were arrested at the scene and were either wearing gang-affiliated clothing; were members of groups that had an “identifiable leadership” and regularly committed crimes; or both. The warrants named the Cossacks, the Bandidos and their associates as known criminal street gangs.
Or maybe the news is lying.
“Or maybe the news is lying.”
I asked you which gospel riders were being held. I received no reply.
My wife wants her own bike. She said she either wants a trike or something with a sidecar.
"Here are the notable issues within this witness outline as reported:
♦ First and foremost, it’s the Washington Post. Notorious for specific, activist and agenda-driven slanted stories.
♦ This story accounts for 3 of the 9 dead. What about the other six. Additionally there were a total of 27 shot/wounded. Nothing from the witness about how it became so extreme?
♦ This report goes from “punches” directly to “shots fired”; and doesn’t construct, outline or question the moment-by-moment scene, other than a chaos sentence after the first shot was fired, despite the reporter(s) expending exhaustive text on the backstory.
♦ Nothing at all within the story about police response. Just a big looming nothing.
♦ Prior affiliation outlines from MC’s, contradict the author’s source and say no Bandido’s were actually among the dead.
♦ No mention of anyone seeing the heavy police presence in the area. It doesn’t even come up in the article at all. Was it even questioned, or were they that well “hidden”.
♦ If you read the full article it builds up based on threats to government, and it finishes off based on threats to government. The factual bits in the middle are almost an afterthought, (that’s where the “all hat and no cattle” comes in) which highlights an agenda in the authorship.
From the same source:
But Hundley, the Mexia detective who has gone undercover in biker gangs, said the Bandidos pressure smaller clubs to join the confederation and pay dues to it, which they use for their group. That’s why the Cossacks refused to join the confederation, he said.
“It’s organized crime at its finest,” Hundley said of the Bandidos. The CoCI is “a motorcycle activist group; however, it’s a fine line. It was made by the Bandidos for the Bandidos, and of course they give money to motorcycle rights to make everyone happy and then they’re lining their pockets with it, no doubt.”
Be happy to build her one better than any of the other mass-produced stuff you can buy.
:)
Somehow, killings over minor baksheesh doesn’t sound like much of a story that makes sense. Sounds more like you straining.
A double cross would make far more sense in the context.
“Go read the Conservative Treehouse article and you’ll see that it includes a list of caveats, none of which TexasGator bothered to include in his posts”
Go back and read my posts before you make a blanket statement that is not true. I have addressed several points made in the CTH article about the WP story AND I have directly addressed several of the bullets you have posted.
“..those who say the whole ATF, FBI, DOJ & local police “explanations” don’t come to passing the smell test
and
..those who appear to completely accept the explanations and spend their time labeling anyone who disagrees with them as closeted queers and or otherwise casting aspersions at them.”
Since I don’t fall into either I just must be a regular guy.
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Well, I’d say you certainly fit into the 2nd grouping (kool-aid drinkers who cast aspersions at those who have trouble believing the BS being put out by the Government spin machine). I guess there’s really a third grouping...trolls. It’s possible that you’ve decided you want to be a part of that “group” for some strange reason.
But in any case, based solely upon your postings in this thread, you are among the last I’d say was a “regular guy”.
FWIW, I know someone in DHS.
The TEA party is viewed the same way outlaw bikers are.
There is not a matter of difference, just degree.
And all those saying “It’s only a matter of time before...”?
Guess what.
Time’s up.
A dear friend posed a hypothetical to her family:
Would you rather wake up and see 6 bikers in your driveway or 6 police cruisers?
Who here is honest enough to post their first reaction?
“But in any case, based solely upon your postings in this thread, you are among the last I’d say was a “regular guy”.”
If, by what you mean is a regular guy, is one who is either in a MC gang or supports a MC gang, then I have to default to not being a ‘regular guy’.
Yeah, more like “saying anything bad there is to say about outlaw bikers” (not that it’s that hard to find something to blame on them, but it’s a red herring to the story of what went down in Waco).
My sense is something like that which I got about the Baltimore brouhaha, namely that there are poxes on several houses here.
“Would you rather wake up and see 6 bikers in your driveway or 6 police cruisers? Who here is honest enough to post their first reaction?”
Sure. Six police cruisers. But then I am not friends of the ganstas nor enemy of the police.
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