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False Flags, Biker Gangs, and the PATCON Legacy
Lew Rockwell .com ^ | 5/21/2015 | William Norman Grigg

Posted on 05/21/2015 5:37:51 AM PDT by Jack Black

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To: Smokin' Joe

“So, what’s your point?”

1%’ers rule.


81 posted on 05/21/2015 8:30:13 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

One of the ways to avoid problems is to NOT have more than one club with the same name or grossly similar colors. This avoids misunderstandings between clubs and between clubs and law enforcement if a member of members of one group gets into trouble.


82 posted on 05/21/2015 8:30:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: TexasGator

Where? They do their stuff, the rest of us do ours. We don’t screw with each other, and that basic respect prevents trouble for everyone. You got a problem with that, brown eyes?


83 posted on 05/21/2015 8:32:13 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“How do 1%er clubs typically interact with non-1%er clubs. I ask this as someone considering joining a veterans MC, and I’m just curious. When I spoke with a member of the vet MC he mentioned that they will usually inform any 1%er club if they’ll be riding through the area. Also will show up to 1%er parties when invited, but usually just have one drink out of respect and roll out.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/Harley/comments/1u943h/new_year_new_ama_i_am_a_1er_outlaw_biker_ask_me/


84 posted on 05/21/2015 8:32:51 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Smokin' Joe

“One of the ways to avoid problems is to NOT have more than one club with the same name or grossly similar colors. This avoids misunderstandings between clubs and between clubs and law enforcement if a member of members of one group gets into trouble.’

Oh. You mean you will get whacked if you wear clothing not approved by the 1%’ers. Nice.


85 posted on 05/21/2015 8:34:08 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Look, if you have to go on the internet to find out how to be a biker...well, maybe you should take up knitting.


86 posted on 05/21/2015 8:34:57 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Where? They do their stuff, the rest of us do ours. We don’t screw with each other, and that basic respect prevents trouble for everyone. You got a problem with that, brown eyes?”

What trouble are you referring to? Do you mean that you will get whacked by the 1%’ers if you ride in the wrong area?


87 posted on 05/21/2015 8:35:27 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Look, if you have to go on the internet to find out how to be a biker...well, maybe you should take up knitting.”

So far, everything you have posted substantiates my postings. Basically you have said that what you wear and where you ride are coordinated with the 1%’ers.


88 posted on 05/21/2015 8:37:09 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: etcb

Unless the ones shot were specifically the targets.


89 posted on 05/21/2015 8:42:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: TexasGator

There used to be an American tradition of minding your own business. Socially awkward situations and hard feelings can be avoided by doing that. Kinda like NOT inviting yourself to someone else’ family reunion. That doesn’t imply anyone getting killed over it.


90 posted on 05/21/2015 8:44:29 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: TexasGator
I never said that. YOU did.

Nope, not so, nor has it ever been.

Keep professing your ignorance, but kindly don't say it came from me.

91 posted on 05/21/2015 8:45:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: TexasGator

The local COC here is run by the head of the HA club and has been for as long as anyone can remember.


92 posted on 05/21/2015 8:46:17 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Smokin' Joe

“There used to be an American tradition of minding your own business.”

Getting your clothing approved by the 1%’ers to avoid trouble seems like the 1%’ers are minding your business ...


93 posted on 05/21/2015 8:46:59 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
Oh. You mean you will get whacked if you wear clothing not approved by the 1%’ers. Nice.

Well, you haven't hit one yet. Perfect record.

Funny thing, the police don't like people walking around in their outfits, either.

The whole idea is to avoid misunderstandings in the first place. I know guys from two clubs with the same name (different states). When they met at Sturgis, the two groups decided the others were okay, and they partied together.

How little you know.

94 posted on 05/21/2015 8:49:17 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: TexasGator
Have a dress code where you work? Have to meet OSHA requirements? There are lots of people who tell others how to dress. The 1% clubs, like any other group, don't want people running around wearing their particular insignia who aren't members.

Gee, there are lots of other groups that way...Police, military, even company logos. Try going to Disneyland dressed like an employee and see how far that gets you. Go for a stroll in a police uniform some time if you aren't a cop and see where that gets you. Really.

All you are doing here is blowing flatulence and trying to make out that every motorcyclist is somehow involved with criminal organizations. We've been known to lobby Congress and State Legislatures, but, for most of us, that's as close as it gets.

95 posted on 05/21/2015 8:54:37 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“The whole idea is to avoid misunderstandings in the first place. “

Oh. So in your two previous posts where you said to avoid trouble you really didn’t mean to imply that there would be trouble if you wore non-approved clothing or went on a non-approved ride ...


96 posted on 05/21/2015 8:56:28 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Have a dress code where you work? Have to meet OSHA requirements? There are lots of people who tell others how to dress. The 1% clubs, like any other group, don’t want people running around wearing their particular insignia who aren’t members. “

My employer wouldn’t have shot me if I didn’t adhere to his dress code ...


97 posted on 05/21/2015 8:58:09 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Well, we got the parade permit for the last toy run, if that’s what you mean. That gang wears badges, but they did stop traffic for us. Geez. You’re certifiable.


98 posted on 05/21/2015 8:59:03 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: TexasGator
Not all law-abiding clubs are controlled by the 1% ers. But the 1% clubs do believe they should control everyone in their area, and the CoC is the mechanism to do so. So you are mostly right.

Here's a nice link where the intimidation is explained.

It's analagous to the mafia controlling a neighborhood. A lot of people will simply knuckle under and pay protection money because they can't or won't fight the mob.

Occassionally some person or group stands up to them. Often they are smashed, and the rest of the herd leans the lesson. Less often they turn out to be big or bad enough to make their rebellion succeed.

I'm sure there are a lot of riders in Texas who would love to see the Bandidos smashed. Just like black gangs mostly make life miserable for blacks, biker gangs mostly make life bad for other bikers.

The Iron Order are well known for flaunting CoC rules concerning patches and rockers. You can read their views here. Unlike the 1% clubs they are not a front for meth dealing and theft rings. Like the 1% clubs they are quite willing and able to throw down to assert their rights.

In Detroit the Highwaymen, one of the oldest 1% clubs (and a very criminal organization) have famously refused to join the CoC because their rivals, the Outlaws (also a criminal 1% club) are the organizers of it.

I've never belonged to any sort of club besides YMCA and gyms, just FYI, but I did a lot of research on this a while ago.

99 posted on 05/21/2015 9:03:00 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: TexasGator
No, but you might have been 'fired'.

I know of no one who has been shot over wearing colors of a club they don't belong to. But, then I know of no one who would do that anyway. As far as keeping non-members from wearing your insignia, think of it as combating copyright infringement.

Gee, even Harley-Davidson and Coca-Cola do that.

100 posted on 05/21/2015 9:03:08 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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