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You're sure read a lot into what folks say...course that's freeper tradition everyone falls for..me too at times

I reach too and put you in the camp with the others here that think shooting folks down cause they may or not be criminals is ok cause were doing society a favor

I did not elucidate my entire view on biker gangs nor on the police

I gave personal experience without much reference beyond that and I gave some of my questions about this particular shooting

I don't think a one size fits all with criminals period...and you can hold me to that

Lets play reference game about cops so you have actual words to work with.

Me: mixed results with cops

harassed as a long haired kid in early 70s

beaten by black jailers in Dade county in 80s in a racial fight which I won till handcuffed and beaten by black jailers

fast forward

currently i have working relationships with a metro police dept and county sherrif office and local THP etc

I give 50% discounts to all cops in personal cars and vets too

purple hearts and WWII vets wash free....(I own a chain of car washes)

but i do know of local cop malfeasance and think the feds and militarization of cops is bad and needs to be stopped

Weaver and Waco were bad cop days to me

Modern cop crap:

Ferguson...cop innocent

New York...not sure lean to they coulda done a better job

South Carolina....cop murdered that man...plain and simple..thank God for smart phones

Baltimore...cops likel;y innocent other than they shoulda given him med attention quicker and the prosecutor is grandstanding

Ok...if all that makes me a cop hater then so be it

btw...my aggregate cop discounts per year total around 40,000 bucks

do you give cops 40,000 a year from your pockets..just curious

now on this incident

at first as i said i it was just white boys playing rough and someone bit off some Bandidos whoopass they shouldn't have

but as its unfolded I'm not sure

1) cops were there from before event started...they could have stopped it...they don't need anyones permission

2) all the dead i saw were outside dropped where shot...which looks more like sniper shot placement...and no I do not think if bikers are shooting one another...that cops can just guess who started it and shoot to kill unless fired upon themselves...of course trigger happy swat will always say they were fired upon...

3) which brings up where are the shot up cops and cop cars

4) all the photos of bikers after the shootout shows bikers first standing talking to cops including some bikers still heeled...cops don't look too terrified of them and later they have them segregated into two groups on the grass unhandcuffed...now if cops were scared enough to shoot them cause they were fired upon first then why aren't they all face down tie bound? instead of milling around

Why was all this heavy police presence there and they claim they knew this beef was happening yet their response is to sit point and watch and play SEALs and ask the restaurant to stop the event instead of them with all that state local and federal firepower close down the event themselves?

they sure as hell have that authority

something just doesn't pass the smell test so far...but given the casualty list is mostly Cossacks as i figured as first it would be...Bandidos are as you say known for ferocity and Ive known several in the late 70s in Mississippi and the first club I ever saw was at Hermann park amphitheater...so maybe the cops shot no one and it played out like i first figured..i would like that...id prefer not to think ill of Texas cops but feeling like i do...if they sniped guys not a threat to them then i want that exposed and let someone figure it out ...but who will...DOJ?...FBI?....Civil Rights?>

it's dead white guys with Confederate flags....I mean really..lol

Texas and Greg Abbott sure aint gonna investigate themselves so this will play out in the overcharged trials and civil court and papers...don't doubt me...unless they find out cops killed no one which again Id prefer

I'm ambivalent about one percenters...some are very dangerous and some not so much...it is intersting to white guys who will fight...today its just pathetic...most crackers under 40 unless at war are such pussies and soft looking and emasculated....who is gonna fight our culture war if it goes hot..I'm not really joking>

I don't live in fear of them but I don't go hang out with them either in their clubs ..I do understand their loyalty to one another trumps all

I've associated with Bandidos ..one I grew up with..he dropped out

Fates Assembly..patched over by 81

Central Florida Warlocks...some scary guys...but more with Outlaws than civilians

and my Outlaw employee who's too old now like me to be much threat to anyone

would I want my daughter to marry one...resounding no

would I want one with me in a war...likely yes

Ive never been victimized by them ..but there's still time

but I have been victimized by the police and black thugs in my life

I am more likely to be wary of young black males in general than outlaw bikers

that should give you plenty to chew on

oh yes...restated..I do not trust the ATF nor do I agree with cops shooting armed outlaw bikers just cause they have a bead on them to clean the gene pool

I would trust Texas Highway Patrol ...

Excellent post. I have a similar take.

You're sure read a lot into what folks say

Lol - look who's talking.

You posted, I simply responded.

You posted what you claim is your reality where you're at, I posted the reality of what I've dealt with where I'm at right back.

Now you respond with a butthurt lecture, pinging a whole gang while you're at it, like that's supposed to help impress me or something?

You know, I don't give a crap about your resume, your life's story, philosophy on life or any of that other blah blah, particularly since there is no way to verify any of it.

If you expect me to post in kind like this is some kinda who-has-the-biggest-dick contest, forget it, it ain't happening.

If I bothered you so bad that you had to stay up until 2-3am, depending on which time zone you are in if you actually are where you claim you are, to write out and post that ramble, that's your malfunction for you to work out, not mine.

You do know how to cut to the heart of the matter.

Pretty much my sentiments too.

Although, I cannot speak to biker gangs as my knowledge of them is only through what I’ve read and what has been reported. Which is a long way of saying I know jack squat about motorcycle gangs.