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China's MIRVs: Sign of a Cold War to Come?
The Diplomat ^ | 05/18/2015 | Robert Farley

Posted on 05/18/2015 6:19:43 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Big news hit the front page of the New York Times on Saturday, in the form of a long article on China’s efforts to miniaturize its nuclear arsenal. The article, using the annual Pentagon report on Chinese military capabilities as its primary source, noted that the decision to tackle the technical problems associated with miniaturization suggest (but only suggest) a larger shift in nuclear weapons doctrine. As the Times article notes, China has long had the latent capacity to MIRV its nuclear missiles, a step that the United States, the Soviet Union, France, and the United Kingdom took long ago.

The Diplomat has closely followed developments in China’s policy of minimal nuclear deterrence, observing that while China had not yet decided to make the leap toward a nuclear warfighting strategy, the modernization and recapitalization of its force over the past decade could open the door to more offensive options.

Hans Kristensen has argued that this represents a major change in China’s nuclear posture, and a bad day for efforts at limiting the role that nuclear arms play in geopolitics. Others see this shift in more evolutionary terms, as holding to long-established technological red lines put clear limits on China’s ability to maintain a sophisticated deterrent. No one believes that France or the United Kingdom, which have long used MIRVs on submarine-launched ballistic missiles, seriously entertain the offensive use of nuclear weapons. Moreover, it’s worth noting that few American policymakers would even momentarily entertain enduring the level of nuclear insecurity that China lives with on a daily basis.

Does this decision come as a direct response to U.S. anti-ballistic missile efforts? Possibly, but these efforts have been in the works since the middle of last decade. Notably, U.S. efforts have yet to yield a workable defense system that an American president could entrust to defend against even a limited Chinese strike. Still, the notion that BMD loomed large in Chinese thinking can’t be discounted, and would suggest that China has only adjusted, and not fundamentally changed, its choice of deterrent posture.

The broader issue may be how China views the potential for long-term hostility between the U.S. and the PRC. While Americans are generally inclined to wildly overstate the importance of American behavior to the decision-making of foreigners, it can hardly be lost on Beijing that even the “dovish” party in the United States envisions a long-term period of confrontation. The Obama administration has even attempted to sell its primary multilateral economic effort, the TPP, on the grounds of security concerns about China.

There can be little question, however, that U.S. analysts who have long warned about China’s threat to the United States will feel vindicated by this report. It seems likely that the decision to MIRV will support, rather than deter, U.S. pursuit of missile defense systems, which in turn may push China towards a larger nuclear program (especially if China envisions an offensive warfighting doctrine). At some point, we’ll be forced to ask whether Washington and Beijing need to take another page from the Cold War rulebook, and consider bilateral nuclear limitation talks.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; china; coldwar; mirv

1 posted on 05/18/2015 6:19:43 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Very Interesting


2 posted on 05/18/2015 6:21:04 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This is the Loral Space gift given by the Clintons for a kickback from China.


3 posted on 05/18/2015 6:21:12 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I think we should off shore MORE of our manufacturing infra structure to the ChiComs. This will appease them and make us friends. Friends don’t let friends develop MIRVs. < /sarc level=”extreme” >


4 posted on 05/18/2015 6:23:30 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
When Obama took office, America had a working missile defense system.

Obama has done everything he could to kill the program.

We are going to pay a heavy price for electing Obama to the Presidency.

5 posted on 05/18/2015 6:23:48 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
This is the Loral Space gift given by the Clintons for a kickback from China.


Precision MIRV ICBMs with pinpoint accuracy are 1970'2 and 1980’s technology and we are now 30 years past that.

This technology is well within the capabilities of the Chinese these days, especially with the nuclear warhead and ICBM technology Loral and Clinton gave the Chinese in the 1990’s and even the North Koreans have nuclear ICBMs

What has Obama done to our missile defense programs?

6 posted on 05/18/2015 6:29:30 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn
The Chinese couldn't hit the broad side of a barn until Clintoon gave them his gift (which also provided a kickback to the DNC.) It may be old tech now but certainly was high-tech then.
7 posted on 05/18/2015 6:32:04 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Clinton gave the Chinese missile technology and nuclear weapons technology that cost America over 1 trillion dollars to develop and gave China a 30 year head start on their program.

It's doubtful the Chinese would even have been able to reverse engineer our weapons technology at all without the Clintons aid.

Now, with modern technology integrated with American know how, the Chinese may actually be ahead of us .

8 posted on 05/18/2015 6:47:29 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: sukhoi-30mki

IIRC I read somewhere that MIRVs are generally considered a first-strike weapon. That their greatest utility is in striking at an adversary’s nuclear forces. Now another enemy will have this capability. Great. :-/


9 posted on 05/18/2015 6:53:35 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Many years ago I had the opportunity to work with "ring gyros" (aka "fiber optic gyros"). These devices were far superior to the mechanical gyros that were incorporated into our US defense systems at the time (and probably still today).

A few years after that I happened to do a Google search on "ring gyro", and discovered that all the white papers written on the subject were coming from China.

This suggests to me that we may be falling tragically behind in the area of nuclear arms tech.

10 posted on 05/18/2015 8:35:10 AM PDT by The Duke (Azealia Banks)
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To: rdcbn

I wonder from stories leaking out slowly if 0bama has, due to lack of upkeep, sidelined 50,60,70,80 or 90% of our nuclear arsenal.


11 posted on 05/18/2015 8:54:58 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: The Duke
This suggests to me that we may be falling tragically behind in the area of nuclear arms tech.

Another Clinton gift - allowing for the transfer of restricted technologies to China.

He dismantled/rendered ineffective the offices and programs to safeguard American hi-tech.

To get around the blocking of blatant & publicly known attempts at transferring restricted tech, Clinton's admin allowed Chinese companies to purchase the American companies (with the tech) and a few months down the road, the American sites are closed and all equipment & tech transferred to the parent company in China...

12 posted on 05/18/2015 9:13:55 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
I wonder from stories leaking out slowly if 0bama has, due to lack of upkeep, sidelined 50,60,70,80 or 90% of our nuclear arsenal.

If that's the case, we are becoming like 1990's era Russia.
13 posted on 05/18/2015 9:43:36 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Loral and Clinton yes.
A U.S. rocket that was ‘crashed’ on takeoff from a Chinese base. It had all the hardware necessary to MIRV and China kept it.


14 posted on 05/18/2015 11:32:27 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Our nuclear weapons capability is in disarray.

The generation that designed and deployed them is at the youngest 65 years old and there has been very little update and modernizations since then.

The active devices themselves are reaching the end of their useful lives.

Obama has cut our nuclear forces to the bone.

We will regret this disgraceful situation one fine day in the near future..

15 posted on 05/18/2015 5:41:49 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Can’t see them deploying a new warhead without testing it first. Though they may have in the early 90s when they set off a few.


16 posted on 05/18/2015 5:45:29 PM PDT by Monty22002
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