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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
For someone who is all about citing the Declaration of Independence, you're certainly quick to tell people who are being systematically excluded from having a voice in their government that they're out of luck.

I favor Black people having a voice. However, we ought not use the power of government in an attempt to force people to like them. I *HATE* discrimination against black people, but I hate even more the idea that government can make laws to force people to associate, who do not wish to do so.

These laws have now been turned to the task of forcing people to associate with homosexuals, abortion providers, feminists, and all sorts of other grievance groups. I take issue with all such laws. It's not the government's job to make people like each other.

It is a simple principle that the Freedom of Association also permits a freedom of disassociation. Making people associate against their will is just the Government trying to impose morality on people.

I may believe in the result without believing in the means used to achieve it.

Maybe black citizens should have invoked self-evident truths, declared themselves to be a different country, and started shooting. Because that would have been a better way to resolve the problem than a federal voting rights act.

Straw man. Not worthy of response.

113 posted on 05/18/2015 6:57:53 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp
I favor Black people having a voice. However, we ought not use the power of government in an attempt to force people to like them. I *HATE* discrimination against black people, but I hate even more the idea that government can make laws to force people to associate, who do not wish to do so.

Just for fun, substitute the words "American colonists" for "black people" in this passage.

However, we ought not use the power of government in an attempt to force people to like them.

What we're talking about, though, in the context of the Voting Rights Act, is the fact that the power of state government was being used to deny a class of people a voice in their government. Under the principles of the Declaration of Independence that you like to cite, how should blacks have responded to this?

It is a simple principle that the Freedom of Association also permits a freedom of disassociation. Making people associate against their will is just the Government trying to impose morality on people.

So a law allowing black people to vote is "imposing morality"? Really?

117 posted on 05/18/2015 11:10:57 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels." --Tom Waits)
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