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To: nathanbedford

“Rather than embrace the opening act of anarchy with widespread civil disobedience, conservatives ought first to have recourse to Article V.”

Being a student of history, can you Identify some major social changes in this country that came about as the result of learned debate and political discourse rather than disobedience? I’m having a hard time identifying any. The end of prohibition, the end of slavery, desegregation, women’s suffrage, and even the end of the 55 mph speed limit were all the result of disobedience on some level.


60 posted on 05/13/2015 12:52:31 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (The ballot is a suggestion box for slaves.)
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To: RKBA Democrat
You raise a very good point with which I agree, major changes are invariably accommodated because of massive social movements and even generalized disobedience.

I suppose conservatives ought to countenance generalized disobedience to law only when the system simply is not open to change in the normal course and according to the Constitution. This is easier said than identified in practice. Many would argue, and find me supporting them, that the present situation of one party elitist governing through massive enabling legislation of unelected bureaucrats has crossed that line.

But we must be wary of selective definitions, for example, I opposed the occupy movement as much for its ends as for its means.

Although I had not thought of it in precisely in the terms which you point out, I have frequently argued on these threads that we are unlikely to see a successful Article V movement without some sort of "black Swan" event which alters conventional thinking and bestirs the great American public to enact actual reform. So I guess we should pursue Article V reform even though success is unlikely until history comes to vindicate us. This is, after all, the way the left has operated for decades and they have succeeded brilliantly in getting their way.


66 posted on 05/13/2015 7:42:19 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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