Posted on 05/09/2015 5:53:54 AM PDT by cuban leaf
It is every parent’s worst nightmare, and according to a report on Police State Daily and the Medical Kidnapping site; for one homeschooling family in Kentucky, it has come true. On May 6, Kentucky homesteading Naugler family had their ten children taken into the custody of the state and are now fighting to regain custody and to prove their innocence.
According to the family’s facebook blog page, Blessed Little Homestead, and other sources above, the police showed up, asked to see the children, and when the mother asked to see a warrant and what the charges were, the sheriff proceeded to explain how it would “come down” if she did not comply and that there had been an anonymous complaint filed with Child Protective Services that he needed to investigate. Eventually, she agreed for the two older children to wave to the officer and was then free to go. At that point, she drove away with her two oldest children and was pulled over.
According to the audio of the incident, she was then asked to release the children into their custody. She refused, but the children were still taken. As they were taken, she reacted with heart-wrenching screams as she was being cuffed and arrested. On later audio, her husband shows up on the scene and asks where his children and wife are and records the transaction as he is told to bring his other 8 children to a specified location by 10 a.m. or he would be arrested and the children taken into state custody. He complied, and all ten of the children are now in state custody. Nicole Naugler also blogs at homestead mama.
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
LOL !
How true. Criminals seem to have lots of friends.
If they are back to basics, how and why are they on the internet?
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Careful selection of photographs can make almost any farm look like squalor. Outbuildings are designed for function, not appearance. Most farms are not going to have the manicured appearance of Calumet Farms or one of the other thoroughbred farms in Northern Kentucky.
I'm guessing the truth of the situation is likely somewhere between the Examiner piece and the Daily Mail piece. Each of these seem to have an agenda.
Well, from what I gather they don’t look like they were taking responsibility for the kids education. The acquaintance said “this is how everyone used to learn” but A) not in living memory it isn’t, and B) people were largely illiterate when this was true. I’m totally down with one-room schoolhouse type learning which is prevalent in homeschooling households, but it looks like they were living like hamsters, frankly.
Sure, they are playing in the mud, but otherwise they look very healthy and clean. Their hair and skin are in excellent condition.
I think I agree with you.
It’s just that the state has ALL the leverage when they take the kids away and the agony to the kids and parents is off the charts.
Why not let the kids stay with one parent for 30 days while the other parent goes to a mandatory, 8 hours per day combination of “interviews” and “ training” about parenting. This might need to be done in tandem with incarceration. Then that parent goes home and takes care of the kids and the other parent goes.
With this much “interviewing” by competent unbiased and sincere pros, a fairly close plan of action should result.
It may be that the kids still need to be taken away and if the parents won’t see to their basic education they should. But, taking the kids away, which is brutal, should be “last thing” not “first thing”.
Thanks. I realize that you’re just trying to help supply me with information, but the idea of kids with mud splattered on them means absolutely nothing to me regarding how they live (if anything, it means their parents are letting them see a bit of the real world). On the other hand, if they’re not reading decently by the time they’re 12 years old, then there is a problem, a BIG PROBLEM.
Like I said, I haven’t taken sides yet. But the picture of the baby sitting around a lot of building scraps did give me pause. His nose has been running and there is dirt pasted into the mucus. Kids also put everything into their mouths. On the other hand, they say farm kids have fewer allergies because of their natural exposure to allergens helping them build immunities. So I would have to know more before making up my mind.
I will say that many of us have a wistful view of the golden rural past that is at odds with many of the realities. This woman survived home childbirth, but appalling numbers of women and infants did not. Chopping wood and other hard labor with tools resulted in great strengths in those who survived it; but there were awful injuries as well from a moment’s bad swing into a knot or stone. I saw it in my own house while renovating, how quickly the little ones could get their hands on a sharp tool and start swinging before you could get down off the ladder.
I have to agree with you in principle there, without knowing exactly how the family in question are handling it. There are always extremists in every minority situation, and they are the ones their opponents hold up as examples. — like snake-handlers or Westboro Baptists being held up as examples of Christianity, while in truth they comprise a nearly incalculably tiny minority.
An abused child lived next door to my granma when I was growing up. I was too young to do anything about it or know what to do, although my granma took issue with the parents on several occasions. But I have never forgotten her after 63 years, and have often wondered if she is still alive and was able to get over her father's horrifying rages.
Irish Peggy from First Place, if you see this, let me know how you are.
I'm OK with the notion of no SSN's unless they are old enough to flip burgers after school and want to work. However, I did read that several of the home-birthed children in the family in this dispute do not have birth certificates. That is a no-no in today's world.
Back in the day, however — pre-WW2 in the case of someone I personally knew — some families never took care of registering the birth until the child was old enough to get a job. And that's how the person I knew changed his own middle name to one he much preferred, because of being teased in school over the original one given by the parents.
Someday these kids will want and need to go out into a world they may not be prepared for. Also, what happens if the father dies young, or abandons the family, for instance? I see food stamps in that "off the grid" future.
So while I am interested in them retaining maximum individual rights, I'm also aware that there are many risks; and if they are sincere in their desire to be self-sufficient without depending on the taxpayer, they've got a lot of hard work cut out for them. Really a lot.
A very good question.
I would think there should be some kind of due process before seizing children, but the article doesn't mention if they already have a "history" with CPU. It's a possibility, tho.
A very wise proposal. I cannot imagine how traumatized the kids must be by being ripped away from their screaming mother and father, the way they handled it here. There must be a better way.
Those photos came from the mother's own blog, since they have her watermark on them. It would seem she has an "in your face" concept of how to interest others in this way of life that has not worked to her advantage here.
She has been trying to open a business as a dog groomer in a conventional setting in a strip mall. Based on these self-selected photos, I would hesitate to believe that she would maintain sanitary conditions and sterilize the equipment properly. When people have an extremist agenda, such as the anti-vaccination people defend their absolute rights but whose children mix with others' children who may have compromised immune systems at school or in public, this back-to-nature mom may be aggressive in her beliefs about what consititutes acceptable sanitation for another person's family member (pet).
I and other friends have gone through trauma with aggressive midwives when our labors were going bad and our fetuses at risk, but they refused to make the call for the doctor due to their own prideful agendas. I'm lucky mine survived my midwife's arrogance.
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Yeah, so dangerous that the State couldn’t even get warrants or otherwise do this legally. They had to go in and kidnap those kids.
Oh yeah, Oh YEAH. And we all know how good a basic education the government schools deliver!!! I homeschooled, and don’t go along with unschooling but it can’t do any worse than the government schools are doing with so many of those kids that are trapped there.
Stocking shelves, pumping gas and mowing grass. Yeah, not like the superlative preparation the Kiddie Prisons are accomplishing!
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