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‘It’s going to be an issue’: Obama admin admits that gay ‘marriage’ threatens religious liberty
LifeSiteNews ^ | 4/29/15 | Albert Mohler

Posted on 04/30/2015 7:22:48 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee

The real culprit in all of this is the 14th amendment, a constitutional change to account for the equality of former slaves in post-Civil War America, but given license to secularize America under the “due process and equal protection” scheme of that amendment.


21 posted on 04/30/2015 8:03:34 AM PDT by yetidog
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To: ßuddaßudd

Is it true muslims en masse were exempted from Obamacare? I read it here the other day.


22 posted on 04/30/2015 8:07:38 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Chauncey Uppercrust
This gay marriage stuff makes me so angry

I'm too confused to be angry.

Is not the Supreme Court of the United States the ultimate inerpreter of the Constitution?
And does not the first ammendment read; "Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion, nor the free exercise thereof.

What is unclear about that? Or are they being intentionally obtuse in order to placate a very vocal minority? Confusing.

If they simply read the document, the outcome of this current case can only go one way.

23 posted on 04/30/2015 8:21:19 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("It is never untimely to yank the rope of freedom's bell." - - Frank Capra)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; xzins; P-Marlowe
I think this is something that a lot of people don't realize.

Many churches spend pretty much every dollar they take in. They have salaries for clergy and support staff, maintenance for the building and property, etc. Typically, money that is left over is used for missionary work whether overseas on within the community or both. Many might have a prudent reserve fund, but this will typically only carry them for a few months.

Keep in mind that it is not only taxes on income that the churches would pay, but property taxes. Many churches sit on what is extremely valuable land; it may have been cheap when the church was built decades ago, but it's prime real estate today.

If the churches are forced to pay taxes, something will have to be cut and these cuts will directly impact the members of the congregation.

Finally, there are the donations themselves. Obviously Christians are supposed to tithe graciously, but that doesn't mean that they don't take the tax deduction into account.

Basically, this would create a ripple effect that will really harm many churches. They will be faced with a huge increase in expenditures due to taxes and they will have a drop in revenue due to loss of deductions, it will cripple them.

24 posted on 04/30/2015 8:24:32 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; The Ghost of FReepers Past; xzins; P-Marlowe; All

” Keep in mind that it is not only taxes on income that the churches would pay, but property taxes. Many churches sit on what is extremely valuable land; it may have been cheap when the church was built decades ago, but it’s prime real estate today.

If the churches are forced to pay taxes, something will have to be cut and these cuts will directly impact the members of the congregation.

Finally, there are the donations themselves. Obviously Christians are supposed to tithe graciously, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t take the tax deduction into account.

Basically, this would create a ripple effect that will really harm many churches. They will be faced with a huge increase in expenditures due to taxes and they will have a drop in revenue due to loss of deductions, it will cripple them. “

Read every word of this carefully FReepers.

I posted yesterday that the left is drooling over the possibility of bankrupting most churches, either through new law, or phony sex discrimination litigation.

One more thing. Most small churches are supported by one or two well heeled members. If the tax deduction is eliminated, many of these benefactors will cut their donations by as much as half.


25 posted on 04/30/2015 8:36:54 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: GailA

Agreed. 100% agreed.

What I’d like to see sometime is new songs that actually preach the Word instead of lyrics that can be replaced with the titles of soap operas without changing the meaning. But until that happens, if it ever does, the batch of hymns that we have are actually good and many of them have very catchy tunes. When played with joy, I find myself eagerly belting them out at the same intensity that I sing along with ‘secular’ music.

But unfortunately, many churches play them at the same tempo and the same excitement as musak. And no matter how much I try to focus on the fact that these songs are here to both worship God and to teach us, I find myself drifting off to sleep.


26 posted on 04/30/2015 8:39:34 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: wagglebee
The second exchange was between Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Solicitor General Verrilli, also arguing for same-sex marriage. The Chief Justice asked: “Would a religious school that has married housing be required to afford such housing to same-sex couples?”

Would a religious school that has married housing hire a same-sex couple to begin with?

27 posted on 04/30/2015 8:40:53 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: wagglebee

Great time to end all taxes but sales taxes. I’ve always thought property taxes were abusive. Some don’t own property so don’t pay. Worse, we have to pay over and over and over and over.

Pay when you buy something and that’s the end of it.


28 posted on 04/30/2015 8:47:08 AM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: wagglebee

No, Caesar intends to substitute worship of Caesar for other forms of worship. In much the same way Caesar intends to substitute his family structure for the one that has traditionall evolved.

What Would Caligula Do?


29 posted on 04/30/2015 8:58:06 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Ted Cruz 2016)
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To: ameribbean expat

like with healthcare, they will get an exemption...


30 posted on 04/30/2015 8:59:45 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: wagglebee
Please Pray This Week for Traditional Marriage – The Supreme Court Is in Session
31 posted on 04/30/2015 9:02:50 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wagglebee

Once the supreme court sanctions gay marriage it will therefore be a state sanctioned, state birthed religion.

Gay marriage will be state enforced religion.

GAY MARRIAGE IS STATE SANCTIONED RELIGION.


32 posted on 04/30/2015 9:07:22 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (BeThe Keystone Pipe like ProjectR : build it already Congre)
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To: eekitsagreek

A person after my own heart...absolutely, it`s gotten to the point were I just can not take a black person seriously when they say they Love Jesus, or Jesus is the answer.

And I know this is horribly unfair of me because there are millions of WONDERFUL Black Christians in America that have left the plantation, and know that they can not under any circumstances vote for gay marriage or abortion or a liberal supreme court.

But this is what the Black liberal Church has done. + we know that roughly 90% of blacks vote liberal.

When I see a Black person on the 700 Club or somewhere giving their testimony, I have to google their name to make sure I can praise the Lord with them..famous people you can find this out about

TJ Jakes or whatever claims to be a Christian, but seems OK with the black liberal Church.

BTW ANYBODY THAT SAYS THEY ARE A “Christian Democrat” from any Christian denomination I feel the same about.


33 posted on 04/30/2015 9:10:08 AM PDT by Chauncey Uppercrust (TIME TO ROUND THE LITTLE BUGGERS UP (LGBT))
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

still...a vote for any Democrat/liberal is a vote for everything anti Christian under the sun,I believe you agree.


34 posted on 04/30/2015 9:13:11 AM PDT by Chauncey Uppercrust (TIME TO ROUND THE LITTLE BUGGERS UP (LGBT))
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To: wagglebee

Bottom line: The Supreme Court appears poised to trash the Constitution and throw millenia of experience out the window just so perverts can feel good about themselves.

Way past time for civil disobedience.


35 posted on 04/30/2015 9:22:38 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Biology is biology. Anything else is imagination.)
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To: wagglebee

If the feds force this abomination on the people of the United States of America. It will be interesting to see soon the fun begins!


36 posted on 04/30/2015 9:29:58 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: GailA

The 501C status acts as a shield also. Lose that, and the State will move against you full force.


37 posted on 04/30/2015 9:41:28 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; wagglebee

And sales tax. Don’t forget sales tax.


38 posted on 04/30/2015 9:49:24 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

In re: “Is not the Supreme Court of the United States the ultimate inerpreter of the Constitution?”

The answer is: NO

We the People are the final arbiters of the Constitution. It is We whom empower the gov’t, whom give it power...to defend and protect the Rights of us all.

In much the same that Congress can tell the Courts to ‘back off’ on any topic; they have not that power nor authority.


39 posted on 04/30/2015 9:58:53 AM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Most Catholic churches have their own schools and if they would have to pay property taxes this could force them to close.


40 posted on 04/30/2015 10:08:03 AM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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