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To: Hulka

Bullets aren’t precision guided munitions. And while A-10’s are accurate strafers, they can’t match the probability of a kill on a strafe pass that they can achieve dropping a laser guided bomb. That is exactly why they now employ the same weapons in the same way as F-16s/15Es/18s/ B-1s/52s etc. and very rarely strafe. Are you aware that in the last decade, a vast majority of CAS has been conducted by aircraft other than the A-10? The argument that if the A-10 goes away, the Army will lose its CAS support has been invalidated by the simple reality that the A-10 has already largely been replaced in the CAS environment. And when it does perform CAS, it almost never does it from low altitude, or uses its gun. There are much better ways to perform CAS now, and all aircraft use essentially the same weapons and tactics to do it.
During Gulf War 1, CAS was conducted almost the same way it was in Vietnam. The only aircraft employing precision guided bombs were F-15Es and A-6s. Now, every aircraft uses them, and employs them with roughly the same targetting pods and tactics. That includes the A-10. In Gulf War 1, one of the most challenging missions was night CAS. You are most likely familiar with A-10s dropping slow burning flares on the ground to create measurement “units” that were then used to talk pilot eyes onto a target that may or may not have been visible under airborne flares floating down in parachutes. With the advent of IR targeting pods, night vision goggles, and IR laser designators, it is now easier to perform CAS at night than it is in daylight. If you were working a CAS mission now, you would pass GPS generated coordinates to the aircraft you were working. You may or may not even have to talk on the radio to do it. You could mark that target with an IR laser and ask the fighters what they see. From an altitude of over 20,000’ agl, those fighters could tell you something like “I see a small two door pickup with a heavy machine gun in the bed. There are four personnel standing near or on the pickup and another doinking a goat behind the bush next to the pickup. The man firing the machine gun is smoking a cigerette” You simply respond, “That’s your target, cleared hot”. 35 seconds later, a 500lb bomb with an accuracy measured in single digit feet, takes out everything including the goat, and you move to the next target. Does that sound anything like the CAS you conducted in Gulf War 1?
Loiter time is a key issue, but moving CAS out of the low altitude environment has significantly increased the loiter time of all aircraft involved. And note that moving CAS out of the low altitude environment didn’t decrease the accuracy of the weapons employed. It increased it. If loiter time is the most important factor, your favorite CAS aircraft should be the B-52. Dozens of laser and GPS guided bombs of all sizes employed using almost the exact same guidance systems as the A-10.
That’s a long way of saying that people who argue the A-10 is the only aircraft that can effectively conduct CAS, have very little idea how CAS is now conducted. Their previous experience (or more commonly, their perception of how CAS is conducted) is obsolete. That’s a good thing, because the technological advances we now use to execute the CAS mission have vastly increased the accuracy of weapons delivered and greatly reduced the time it takes to deliver them.


156 posted on 05/05/2015 6:30:15 PM PDT by Rokke (www.therightreasons.net)
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To: Rokke
Never said the A-10 was the only CAS platform and never said anything about altitude.

That said, high altitude, high angle strafe provides a pencil beam of bullets with a Pk that is down-right astonishing.

No need to fly low if you don't need to, and that point is lost by many when discussing CAS. Seems many associate CAS with “Close”, and thinking “close” means the aircraft is close to the ground. Close means close delivery of the weapon, not how close to the ground you fly. Don't you get tired of trying to explain that? I know I do.

What the A-10 provides is the ability to remain in the tgt area and perform multiple precise attacks, delivering just as many (if not more) PGMs that the -16’s and the JSF, and well beyond the F-22. And the A-10 can deliver these PGMs just as close as all other platforms. . .and the A-10 has a gun that allows VERY close CAS. Can't do that with PGMs of any type (except, perhaps, for the SDB).

So, the A-10’s biggest asset over other platforms is the gun, flexible and allows for weapons effect much closer in a TIC environment.

Never said the Army would lose CAS if the A-10 goers away.

The reason most CAS is performed by other platforms is because the A-10 is being retired and the number of platforms is decreasing. Of course, that means a multitude of other platforms have to pick up the slack.

Accuracy, flexibility, multiple passes beyond a -16’s load-out, multiple passes because of fuel state, delivery weapons (gun) VERY close to friendlies. . .yes, for CAS the A-10 is the platform, not the only platform.

Other may disagree.

Cheers.

157 posted on 05/06/2015 11:41:08 AM PDT by Hulka
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