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There’s a difference between corporate and personal.

Romans 11:

The remnant spoken of in the chapter is those who were believers in Christ.

Israel’s corporate status is that of being divorced, under chastisement, rejected by God.

“11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.”

We see in verse 11 “they should fall” means that they should continue in that state permanently, to which the answer is emphatically no. But it says they are in that fallen state, as it continues “through their fall”.

“12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?”

“The fall of them” - they are fallen.

“15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?”

They are cast away. They must be in a state of being cast away in verse 15, else they could not in the same verse be received back in the future.

They are a branch “broken off”:

“17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;”

Again:

“20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:”

Note that the roots of their problem were in unbelief.

That’s what is so often misunderstand, even though it permeates the entire Old Testament - being a Jew was always first and foremost about faith and belief. Non-Jews were converted to Judaism. Many of the ancient Israelites faced temporal judgements because of unbelief. There came to be this enormous emphasis on bloodlines, but if you study the entire Bible, you’ll find consistently that the definition of a child of God is always about faith and belief and not bloodlines. The Psalms are filled with this idea, which is why exclusive Psalmody is hated by so many Churches; getting rid of Psalm-singing is a great help to those who ant to introduce unscriptural teaching and substitute their own teaching in a Church, since the people singing the Psalms are weekly singing doctrinal truth, and it stands in contrast to false teaching in sermons.

God did not spare the natural branches:

“21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.”

They were cut off:

“22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.”

and Christians are warned to continue in his goodness or they will also be cut off.

Note carefully on the “grafting in” - it is only for those who believe:

“23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.”

The phrase “all Israel”:

“26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:”

refers to Israel as a corporate body, not to say that every single last Jewish individual will be saved, any more than every Gentile will be saved.

This verse is still true if we remember:

Romans 2

“28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

Yes, clearly all who are true believers in Christ will be saved.

What has happened in the last few decades is the political manuevering in the US amongst mostly Evangelical Churches, but other denominations undoubtedly as well, where the false eschatology which began in the 1800s has had the modern state of Israel slid into doctrine on eschatology, all the while the modern state of Israel has a very strong leftist/socialist bent and is even reportedly the “gay capital” of the east:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel

In fact, www.persecution.com, website of The Voice of the Martyrs, lists Israel as a hostile nation on its prayer map page (you have to click to see its current report):

http://www.persecution.com/public/prayermap.aspx?

I am always very interested to know what is going on behind the scenes with military and diplomatic alliances and actions where America is concerned nowadays, since I stopped assuming every American policy was acceptable to God by definition. So I seek a little truth, background, details, etc., on our government-defined “allies” as well as “enemies” - just what is going on an why, I wonder.

When someone tells me American policy is coming from the Bible - though I would love it if it were true - I tend to be a bit skeptical these days with all the wickedness in high places in the US. Since I’ve been actually studying the Bible these past few years, usually I find when they wave the Bible in front of my face and say they want to use it to justify a US government action, I usually find their theology to be flat-out wrong. And this is not surprising, IMHO, given that so many American leaders seem to have nothing but hatred of those who “CLING TO THEIR GUNS AND BIBLES”.

While we can be sure that Biblical prophesy will all come to pass, the human understanding of prophesy before and during its fulfillment has always been wanting, except, of course, for direct, personal revelation by God, which ended with the New Testament. The Word of God we have now is the Bible.

I hope and pray we can proceed, Lord willing, with seeking truth about this and all matters.

I prefer God’s way, not man’s way:

Matthew 6:10 “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.”