Posted on 04/19/2015 8:42:15 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
Austrians would disagree.
And again I have a question...The Nazis saw nothing wrong with using Ukrainians as camp guards, now surely as anti-semitic as the Poles must have been, why was it that no Pole served as a Camp Guard at the death camps?
So he was there? He spoke to the people in those countries during the war? Personally I have spoken with my Grandparents and parents who actually did live through the war in Hungary and the stories my Mother told of the Jewish children they used to play with until they were threatened with beatings by the German soldiers and the pain they felt when the Jews were taken away. This A$$hat is so obviously a obama minion and complete moron having no clue what the common citizen went through war and that they subject to the same fate as the Jews if they weren't careful.
There’s a big difference between being anti-Semitic and being willing to kill. The first group to put up placards denouncing German brutality towards Jews in Cracow was a right wing Catholic group that had called for Poles to boycott Jewish businesses before the war. If you read “Ordinary Men” about a German MP unit charged with liquidating Jews it’s quite clear that most Poles dragged their feet as much as possible to avoid helping the Germans, and many were shot for actively hiding them or helping Jews who were hiding. They may not have liked Jews, but they were not going to be accessories to murder if they could avoid it, and the Germans complained a lot about it.
Plus the Germans weren’t stupid. They knew if they gave any Pole a rifle to use as a camp guard, they knew the first thing the Poles would do with it is to shoot the Nazi bastards with it.
Polish-Jewish relations have always been a complex thing.
The Soviet-Puppet Communist regime didn’t help matters when they kicked out most of Poland’s remaining Jews in 1968 during the Anti-Zionist purge.
Didn’t say all. But the Dutch were among the most accepting of the Nazi arrival. Same for the French. Take for example, the Anne Frank raid. It was Dutch collaborators who turned them in. And the raid itself was conducted by an Austrian Nazi cop, leading several Dutch cops.
The Nazi leader of Holland was Seyss-Inquart who was the Austrian who engineered the Anschluss.
“Just have Harf clear this up.”
That’s the ticket!
“why was it that no Pole served as a Camp Guard at the death camps?”
Some did. The border of Eastern Poland and western Ukraine has moved many times. Galica was quite enthusiastic about helping Nazis. Galica straddles Poland and Ukraine. In fact, the center of Ukraine that is home to the Banderist movement is Lviv. The Poles call it Lwow as they did before the war.
Some of this camp guard were Ukrainian is a flag of convenience. There are very few clean hands between Russia and Germany. Many of them are still very proud of their own SS types. The Galican SS is still celebrated. The Estonian SS has reunions.
Pretty much only the Germans get beat over the head with it. And they are the ones who have most left that Nazi thinking behind.
Correct about the Austrians. An argument can be made that Austria was the most unrepentant Nazi country of all.
I take it that you had Dutch Family in the Netherlands during WW2?
Nope. That’s kind of a non-sequitur.
One of the survivors of the Sobibor concentration camp revolt went back to his Polish village after the war and was killed in a pogrom. Alan Arkin played this person, who was the head of the revolt, in a very good film, Sobibor, available for streaming. The doumentary Shoah also shows troubling interviews with Poles who took over the houses and possessions of their Jewish neighbors who were deported to the camps. Many Jews who escaped to the forests after the revolts at Treblinka and Sobibor were killed by Polish partisans.
I know there were horrible individuals amongst the Poles, anti-semitism is the European national pastime, and certainly Poland wasn’t exempt. But they tend to be picked on more than the others, because the Nazis chose to build their death camps on Polish soil, and also that Poland suffered under the Bolshevik boot as well, with many Poles killed or shipped off to Siberia....So when the Germans came into the the areas formerly occupied by the Soviets, they found an audience willing to take their version of events and accuse the Jews of supporting the Bolsheviks. It’s a tragic tale all around. No other occupied country faced with the Poles did, not even close.
Even before the Anschluss the German Nazis had to tell the Austrian Nazis to tone it down a bit.
Bandera and his pals hated the Poles even more than the Russians and the Jews.
Martin’s brother? /obscure
Well, Bavarians might disagree also, Fact is that historically there are many “Germanies,” Obama was not totally wrong when he said that the Austrians speak “Austrian”. In the United States, the “German-Americans” did not constitute a distinct ethnic group as did, say the Irish Catholics. In Texas, the German immigrants developed their own “blend” so they could better communicate.
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