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To: odds
....”I think it is more accurate to say the Saudi gov’t is more pro-Islam & Islamic (wahhabi) values, than generically “Anti-American”, at least publicly and for now.”....

Well they'll all be opposing America when the time comes....those who aren't will simply remain silent, as we've seen time and again, only because it benefits them by doing so. If it comes to their heads you can be sure they will be loyal to Islam whatever form of it is doing the chopping and or ordering it..

264 posted on 04/24/2015 5:11:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

In a way I agree with you.

I also question why so far secular (pro democracy, separation of Church & State) opposition, whether in Iran or Saudi Arabia, has not been supported in any meaningful manner, and in fact been largely silenced? In Turkey as well.

The mentioned opposition grps are not blind or stupid. Obviously when and if they see their movement is not supported by the U.S. or Western gov’t, instead the Islamic gov’ts are by the same Western powers, it’s akin to bashing your head against a brick wall.

So, the movement never entirely dies, but the logical way for the average person in those movements is to make do with what they got, ie go with the flow, make sure you don’t put yourself in harms way when you’ve no likelihood of succeeding, or when your movement is immediately labelled a “terrorist organization” should they take up arms to fight the Islamists, when you can for example capitalize on working with the Islamic status quo, be it for your own benefits.

Those pictures Cronos posted of Afghnistan and Pakistan make salient points. We’ve increasingly seen secular gov’ts in the M.E. and North Africa overthrown since the end of 1970s. For one reason or another. I know for a fact that “official” education & social values were becoming increasingly non-Islamic in mentioned countries, as well as in Iran. Never Saudi Arabia though. Then, same secular gov’t were undermined (for one reason or another) leading to revolt, war and eventually overthrow of gov’ts who were largely “pro-America”.

In the last decade and half we continue to see Islamic-style gov’ts continue to overtake in various countries in that region; we continue to see Islamic resurgence, not only in the so-called Islamic world, but also in the West. How did that happen? This can only be if the Western gov’ts support their Islamic buddies (for whatever reason). You gradually see the undercurrents & changes in values to more Islamic ones; but these changes can not happen w/out support and financing.


266 posted on 04/24/2015 5:41:42 PM PDT by odds
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