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To: P-Marlowe; Talisker; HiTech RedNeck; wagglebee

I agree that we should be fair with Taliker and HiTech and let them explain what the US culture will look like after their ideas are implemented. I need to see it spelled out on paper to be able to give them a fair shot at evaluation.

Adoption, child credits, school education on families, etc. I want to see what this world will look like after the dust settles and their ideas are implemented.


30 posted on 04/17/2015 6:56:19 PM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins
Adoption, child credits, school education on families, etc. I want to see what this world will look like after the dust settles and their ideas are implemented.

Civil unions already exist and are treated by the government as legally equal with marriage.

The question, therefore, isn't what will happen. The question is what has already happened to marriage - and what does marriage mean to you? To get more precise, do you believe God is an indispensable part of the creation of a marriage bond? Because if you do, then there is no place for government in the legitimization of that bond. You MUST start there, because everything else is derived from that.

So if you then want to take that union, and its fruits of children, into the government arena, you cannot, in doing so, change the definition of that union. Which means some other contractual mechanism is needed that has no effect whatsoever on the definition of marriage. Ergo, civil unions. Otherwise, you get what we see now - the government claiming the authority to determine the definition of marriage, and then, inevitably, the legitimacy of your marriage according to government specifications.

It's crucial Christians especially get this, because the definition of Christian marriage IS being targeted. And this is the way to fight back, by denying any government involvement in that definition AT ALL.

31 posted on 04/17/2015 7:08:22 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: xzins

You really truly think our present government is doing more help than harm to America’s love life? What a horrible steward it is. And you want to keep on blindly trusting it. I get the picture real well. And the bible talks about it as leaning on a broken reed.


42 posted on 04/18/2015 2:19:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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