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To: Jan_Sobieski

This is where Protestant kookery gets really dangerous. And I am afraid that Ted Cruz may subscribe to these ideas about Israel.

The modern State of Israel has absolutely nothing to do with the Jews, who will exist until the end of time, or with “the people of Israel.”

There is NO divine mandate for the United States to be allied with Israel, or go to war for Israel. Our relationship with Israel should be governed by the same criteria as with other countries: What is in the national security interest of the U.S.?


42 posted on 04/15/2015 1:05:45 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

None of what you said is true. The presence of Jews in their homeland is perfectly Biblical, although they call it “Israel” rather than “Judah”. Go back and read Zechariah 14.


47 posted on 04/15/2015 1:11:31 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Arthur McGowan

Question: “What is the meaning of the Valley of Dry Bones in Ezekiel 37?”

Answer: Ezekiel’s vision of the valley of dry bones (Ezekiel 37:1–14) came to him after God had directed him to prophesy the rebirth of Israel in chapter 36. God announced, through the prophet, that Israel will be restored to her land in blessing under the leadership of “David, My servant [who] shall be king over them” (Ezekiel 37:24), clearly a reference to the future under Jesus Christ the Messiah, descendant of David (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6–7; Luke 1:31–33). However, this promise seemed impossible in light of Israel’s present condition. She was “dead” as a nation, deprived of her land, her king, and her temple. She had been divided and dispersed for so long that unification and restoration seemed impossible. So God gave Ezekiel the vision of the dry bones as sign.

God transported Ezekiel—probably not literally, but in a vision—to a valley full of dry bones and directed him to speak to the bones. Ezekiel was to tell the bones that God would make breath enter the bones and they would come to life, just as in the creation of man when He breathed life into Adam (Genesis 2:7). Ezekiel obeyed, the bones came together, flesh developed, skin covered the flesh, breath entered the bodies, and they stood up in a vast army. This vision symbolized the whole house of Israel that was then in captivity. Like unburied skeletons, the people were in a state of living death, pining away with no end to their judgment in sight. They thought their hope was gone and they were cut off forever. The surviving Israelites felt their national hopes had been dashed and the nation had died in the flames of Babylon’s attack with no hope of resurrection.

The reviving of the dry bones signified God’s plan for Israel’s future national restoration. The vision also, and most importantly, showed that Israel’s new life depended on God’s power and not the circumstances of the people. Putting “breath” by God’s Spirit into the bones showed that God would not only restore them physically but also spiritually. The Israelites residing in the Holy Land today are not the fulfillment of this prophecy. It will be fulfilled when God re-gathers believing Israelites to the land (Jeremiah 31:33; 33:14–16) and Christ returns to establish His Millennial Kingdom (Matthew 24:30–31).

http://www.gotquestions.org/valley-dry-bones.html


55 posted on 04/15/2015 1:46:30 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Jan_Sobieski
>>What is in the national security interest of the U.S.?<<

Genesis 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

And NO, the "church" has not superseded Israel.

62 posted on 04/15/2015 2:32:51 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan
The modern State of Israel has absolutely nothing to do with the Jews, who will exist until the end of time, or with “the people of Israel.”

I respectfully think that you are Biblically uninformed when it comes to the nation of Israel and God's plan for them. Throughout the old Testament, and new, God clearly expresses his plan to reestablish the Jewish Nation. Jeremiah 30 reveals that this will not necessarily be in faithfulness or in peace. In fact it will be the time of Jacob's Trouble. However the Jews will be saved out of it!
70 posted on 04/15/2015 2:43:41 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Arthur McGowan

You said ... “And I am afraid that Ted Cruz may subscribe to these ideas about Israel.”

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I’m confident he does, and it would be on THAT BASIS ALONE that I’ll choose him to be President!


84 posted on 04/15/2015 3:01:21 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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