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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
So if you and your next door neighbor announced that you were now your own country, then started shooting at the local national guard armory because you claim that, too, the proper response of the government would be to leave you alone?

You are attempting to use a dishonest debate tactic in trying to equate "neighbors" with "States" as if we wouldn't notice.

Your metaphor would be ridiculous if applied to the 13 Colonies and it is just as ridiculous when you attempt to apply it to the Independence movement of the Southern States.

You can't invade your own country.

Tell that to the British. Our nation was founded on the principle that we could become independent from a nation to which we no longer wished to belong.

Confederate artillery not trying to kill people.

You are an unserious debater. I could draw cartoon stick figures showing bombs and explosions to support my position too, but the fact remains that nobody was killed.

Given that people were killed in every single subsequent conflict, I would take that as pretty good evidence that they weren't really trying. And why would they? They had no real animosity directed at those soldiers, they just wanted them to leave.

411 posted on 04/13/2015 10:37:29 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp
You are attempting to use a dishonest debate tactic in trying to equate "neighbors" with "States" as if we wouldn't notice.

Then you have to answer the question of what it is that gives a state the right to declare itself to be a different country and seize property that is denied to a county, a township, a city block, the Elks Club or you and your neighbor.

Your metaphor would be ridiculous if applied to the 13 Colonies and it is just as ridiculous when you attempt to apply it to the Independence movement of the Southern States.

The 13 Colonies never for a moment pretended that their actions were legal or claimed that the British had no right to oppose their rebellion. They new they were fighting a war of rebellion

You are an unserious debater. I could draw cartoon stick figures showing bombs and explosions to support my position too, but the fact remains that nobody was killed.

It's an absurd argument. If you spend 34 hours shooting 4000 guns at someone's house, setting it on fire with incendiary rounds, and they survive because they were hiding in the basement until they surrender, it's pretty disingenuous to claim that you really weren't trying to hurt anyone and just wanted them to leave.

Nor will you find, in all of the confederate correspondence, orders and reports, even the remotest indication that they were making an effort not to hurt anyone.

424 posted on 04/13/2015 11:23:28 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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