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To: Monorprise
I agree with this sentiment as well. The right of revolutionary withdraw of the consent of the govern is so central to the idea of a free republic that one could not be sustained overtime without such a right. The reason is really not that difficult to understand nor observe in the history after our "civil war" even as the Federal Constitution to the extent it persisted as a limits upon the power of Washington had largely restarted the grown and abuse of federal power in years sense. Taking a decade or a century the end is almost invariably the same. Those in power tend to uses that power to benefit themselves with increasing disregard to the unfair burden they transfer upon those out of power. Thus more and more laws effecting the same end are created with ever greater degrees of inequity built into their design until such time that the oppressed and abused minority as little choice but to collapse or rebel again in search of freedom.

I sum it up as "The issues of that war are still with us today." We are still facing an oppressive Federal leviathan which no longer protect our interests.

Slavery was going to disappear eventually. Mechanized agriculture was just a few decades away, but the issue of Federal Dominance and opposition to Independence, is still with us.

We are all being destroyed by Federal monetary policy and we have no way to get loose from it.

235 posted on 04/11/2015 11:35:21 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yeah the mechanized culture was coming.

That would have been great news to a 30 year old man who has been in bondage his whole life. Good news! You get to die a slave...but massah might just buy himself one of them John Deeres.

That kind of logic insults the intelligence of any man born with a soul.

Whether or not the civil would have solved slavery is not even the issue. The mere fact that YOU still use that as an excuse to not ban slaver tells me you are so stuck in the mindset that one man can be better than another to the point where you can buy and sell them until something worth more comes along, that it literally sickens me.

You should really be ashamed of yourself. Really. That is simply a twisted way to think.


238 posted on 04/11/2015 12:14:42 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (When you are inclined to to buy storage boxes, but contractor bags instead.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
"I sum it up as "The issues of that war are still with us today." We are still facing an oppressive Federal leviathan which no longer protect our interests."

I would probably say that the ability to revolutionize and withdraw from centralized authority was the last check on that athority ability to dominate inequitably, and the final deterrence from trying to do so in the first place.

This was of course the deference between a Federation that limits itself to shared interest, and that of an empire that follows only the interest of those in control. We have been an empire sense 1861, one that has been progressively losing the chains of it's constitution on the imperial ambition of those in control.

The right to revolution thou suppressed must inevitably someday reassert itself, even thou by Lincoln's terms that reassertion will have to take a very bloodily and unnecessarily costly form of war on a near genocidal scale. Regional inequalities will not be tolerated forever on an ever growing list of ever more abusive issues upon which we are forced to submit.

If we are wise people will come to recognize that fact and reverse before that day of undesired 'civil war' must comes to refresh the tree of individual liberty.
249 posted on 04/11/2015 1:03:21 PM PDT by Monorprise
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