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To: jmacusa
“People right to self-determination’’. To own another human being. Keep searching “Diogenes’’( I think your lamp went out.)

Now see here is where you need to stop lying to yourself. You keep trying to make this about slavery, and you refuse to face the fact that the North had no intention of abolishing slavery, and indeed several northern states continued to practice slavery throughout the war.

What you are doing here is a bait and switch. You keep substituting the incorrect reason the North went to war for a false one. The Union government did not start the war with the intention of preventing one human being from owning another. They were absolutely willing to continue tolerating that condition, so spare me your attempts at moral superiority in justifying why the North went to war.

It's is just a guilt assuaging lie, and you need to quit repeating it.

The North went to war for two reasons. Revenge, and to stop independence. Stopping Southern independence was the only non-negotiable issue when the war began.

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.

Get your history accurate, and stop spouting Propaganda that's 150 years out of date.

207 posted on 04/11/2015 10:01:35 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp
It's is just a guilt assuaging lie, and you need to quit repeating it.

It is you perpetuating the lie. Do I need to post my quip about the reasons for the WBTS? LOL

The south attempted to break away because they projected their feeeeeeeelings of the possibility that their beloved slavery would come to an end under the presidency of Lincoln.

213 posted on 04/11/2015 10:08:48 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: DiogenesLamp

We went to war to keep the nation together.

You guys thought you had a right to secede and we thought you did not. In the end, we won.

I agree, that technically the slavery issue was not the specific cause. But clearly, it was the states right to decided about slavery that was the cause. To most people that is a difference without a distinction. But, as most of you folks like to split hairs, lets give you that one.

Seems to me that the Civil war settled both scores.

Why can’t you guys simply admit that you were beaten on the field, and then you were beaten at the ballot box.

Its not like you grew up with slaves, or state’s rights for that matter. You are as bad as Sunnis or Shiites, getting all upset over stuff that happened in almost ancient history.

Get over it. You lost.


243 posted on 04/11/2015 12:21:42 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (When you are inclined to to buy storage boxes, but contractor bags instead.)
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