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To: Sherman Logan
I’ve been talking all along about the idea of trying to use biblical quotes as ammunition in the battle over social issues. I don’t think it works, is in fact highly counterproductive.

So you think that conservatives have only fought social issues by quoting the Bible? If not, then what has been a “loosing” argument that conservatives have presented?

I don’t have the answers, but the first necessity to develop answers is to recognize what the question is.

Ok, since the topic is homosexuality in this thread, you surely have an answer to this, correct? If you say you still don’t, that’s OK; I haven’t heard many good ones, but I have heard a few excellent ones. I will share one if you still do not have an answer to this.

I do know that the solution has little to do with politics. The mess we’re in today is entirely the consequence of cultural trends from 10 and 15 years ago.

Please confirm, you think that no laws passed over, say, the last 70 years by politicians and judges (they are a part of the political system too) had any consequence on the culture of our society?

Politics is downstream of culture. Very few conservatives ever really seem to understand what this means, which is that winning elections is in the long run utterly pointless unless you can influence the culture. Elections in the long run will inevitably follow the culture.

So you are saying that culture should or should not be a part of culture? I’m a bit confused here when you state first that we should not be involved in social issues but say here that “Politics is downstream of culture”.

I have to step away right now, but will be looking forward to your response in a couple of hours.

56 posted on 04/04/2015 1:43:43 PM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak

The laws with regard to these issues, and indeed over pretty much all issues, are in the long run merely a reflection of people’s attitudes towards them.

Those attitudes for most people are formed only peripherally by politics and religion. They’re instead formed by mass culture, especially movies, TV and music. These fields have been dominated for at least 50 years by progressives.

Our political culture today is pretty much where our mass culture was 20 years ago. 20 years from now our political culture will be about where our mass culture is today, which is a pretty scary thought.

Tocqueville pointed out a long time ago that in America the general opinion is far and away the most powerful force. Most people go along. When the media is able, accurately or not, to portray a certain POV as “the norm,” it is immensely powerful. As people adapt to what they see as the “new normal,” it becomes the new normal.

The only solution, IMO, is to take back the culture. I just have no idea how to do that.


57 posted on 04/04/2015 2:04:58 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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