Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Who was Andreas Lubitz? Germanwings co-pilot who murdered 150 passengers in deliberate Alps crash
IB Times ^ | March 26, 2015 | Tom Porter

Posted on 03/26/2015 6:30:57 AM PDT by COUNTrecount

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 121-140141-160161-180181-185 next last
To: diogenes ghost

There wouldn’t be any audible alarms. The flight computer thought it was doing the right thing, just like the one that overrode the pilots and flew into the ground in the Habersheim airshow, and the Air France flight that flew into the Atlantic after the pitot tube iced up and the other crashes that have been blamed on the Airbus flight computer. That’s the point. Read the previous accident conclusions provided by the NTSB/FAA for the A320.


141 posted on 03/26/2015 9:33:11 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 137 | View Replies]

To: Thermalseeker

They draw logical conclusions from existing current information.


142 posted on 03/26/2015 9:42:50 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (Race Baiting...... "It's What's For Breakfast")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 140 | View Replies]

To: dead

Actually, no, we don’t have the same evidence. You see, I have read every accident and incident report associated with the A320. The carrier I flew for before I retired offered type rate me in the A320. I declined based on the accident data. (and I’m not the only one)


143 posted on 03/26/2015 9:43:34 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 134 | View Replies]

To: Thermalseeker
OK...

1)Inexperienced co-pilot

2)Overwhelmed co-pilot

3)The world's most expensive chainsaw

4)Experienced pilot having inadvertently been locked out.

I'm in no position to comment on numbers 1 through 3 while you,a pilot,are.However,on #4...I did some googling a few hours ago and found a video made by Airbus regarding their system that insures cockpit security.Among the things learned from that video is that it's easy to gain access *with* the cockpit's consent,fairly easily accessed in cases of cockpit crew being incapacitated and essentially *impossible* to access if the cockpit crew actively denies access.So,during the 6 minute descent the stewardesses *and* the senior pilot would have known the different procedures yet *still*,it would appear,failed to gain access.

Can you think of any plausible explanation to explain this apart from "an overwhelmed,inexperienced,co-pilot"? The Airbus video I saw clearly showed that it just takes a quick flip of a switch in the cockpit to deny access to anyone trying to use the "incapacitated crew" option for access.

144 posted on 03/26/2015 9:45:35 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama;A Low Grade Intellect With Even Lower Morals)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 112 | View Replies]

To: COUNTrecount

Yes, they are drawing what appears to be “logical conclusions”, but they are doing so before all the data is in and that is not an example of how a professional handles such events. Ask yourself, why would a French Prosecutor hold a press conference to talk about this accident and not the French Minister of Transportation? Isn’t that just a wee bit odd to you?


145 posted on 03/26/2015 9:46:34 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 142 | View Replies]

To: Gay State Conservative
It's a 3 position switch in a sea of switches. It's very easy to put it in the wrong position, particularly if you are unfamiliar with the system and overwhelmed. Think trying to type out a text on your phone while driving at 80 mph in traffic in a car you've only driven three times.

BTW, in the USA the FAA requires you to have 1500 hours before you can even apply for an Airline Transport Rating (ATP). That's more than twice the airtime this guy apparently had.

146 posted on 03/26/2015 9:51:25 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 144 | View Replies]

To: Thermalseeker

Future litigation.


147 posted on 03/26/2015 9:54:40 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (Race Baiting...... "It's What's For Breakfast")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 145 | View Replies]

To: Thermalseeker
Assuming your scenario is correct, would it be normal for the experienced pilot to leave the cockpit in the hands of his lesser experienced co-pilot while all that is going on?
148 posted on 03/26/2015 9:54:57 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 112 | View Replies]

To: Thermalseeker

BTW, with most accidents, it isn’t any one thing that causes it. Generally, it is a series of events that stack up and in the vast majority of cases ulitmately pilot error is to blame. That is precisely why Airbus developed their fly by wire system, to eliminate the biggest cause of accidents.


149 posted on 03/26/2015 9:55:15 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 146 | View Replies]

To: COUNTrecount

We’ll likely find out he was sympatico with Islam.


150 posted on 03/26/2015 9:56:14 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: liberalh8ter

Not unusual at all in this type aircraft once cruising altitude is reached.


151 posted on 03/26/2015 9:57:18 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 148 | View Replies]

To: Gay State Conservative
he was almost certainly either a terrorist or absolutely out of his mind

One or both

152 posted on 03/26/2015 9:57:34 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell
If he is not a muzzie he is still a muzzie.

Congratulations. That's the dumbest thing I've read all week.

153 posted on 03/26/2015 10:01:45 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 138 | View Replies]

To: COUNTrecount
Undoubtedly the lawyers are lining up and licking their chops. That's why this Prosecutor's presser makes no sense. Based on the information that has been reported jumping to that sort of conclusion has to have a motivation behind it. We probably won't ever hear about it, but attorneys for the airline, the pilot's union, Airbus, every equipment manufacturer who has any device installed on that aircraft and anyone else who feels they may be drawn into this in a legal sense will be out there pleading their case of how it's anything but their fault. That's a glaring example of why we should not jump to conclusions with such limited data and rather wait until the investigation is complete.

Is it possible this guy took the airplane out? Sure, but given the history of the A320 I would not fixate on the limited information gleaned from the cockpit audio. Has any serious audio analysis been done? I doubt it. I read they say you can hear the co-pilot breathing normally and sounds that indicate the pilot was banging on the door wanting in. How do we know the co-pilot was conscious? Answer: we don't.

154 posted on 03/26/2015 10:07:42 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 147 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell
Nonsensical statement.

Best to wait until all the bio info is available, and to evaluate possible motives based on facts, n'est ce pas?

.

155 posted on 03/26/2015 10:08:39 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: wideawake

“What about him leads you to believe that he is a Muslim? He could not look more like a generic native German twentysomething.”

What does a muslim look like since islam is a cult and not a race?


156 posted on 03/26/2015 10:11:30 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: Thermalseeker

“How many A320 accident reports have you read? I’ve read all of them.”

So, how many 320 aircraft lost flight control or autopilot control and made a controlled descent resulting in a crash??


157 posted on 03/26/2015 10:13:45 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 130 | View Replies]

To: Thermalseeker
Have a nice day? Punching bag? You are way too sensitive there therm. Indeed, I have considered all that you wrote.

I read all of your replies and all recount that you have read A-320 accident reports and are hung up on the fly by wire system.
If the co-pilot had difficulties with understanding what the FBW/FMS system was doing, why did he not let the Captain enter the cabin?
If I was in his seat and unable to open the door using the center console panel, I would have left the seat and opened the door.
You are using this accident to trash the A-320. It is your “punching bag.” If you must blame the airplane, then be open to accepting that if a pilot doesn't know how to operate it, it is the PILOT”S fault.

Typed in 727,757,767,747-400,777, DC-8, DC10

158 posted on 03/26/2015 10:14:12 AM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 139 | View Replies]

To: Thermalseeker

” Air France flight that flew into the Atlantic after the pitot tube iced up “

You obviously didn’t read THAT accident investigation. Air France 447 stalled due to pilot input pitching beyond critical AOA. The flight computer had nothing to do with that crash.


159 posted on 03/26/2015 10:16:32 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 141 | View Replies]

To: Thermalseeker

“How do we know the co-pilot was conscious? Answer: we don’t. “

Breathing does help determine that a person is conscious. If you knew anything about human physiology you’d know that.

Audio can also tell investigators if switches are being flipped or buttons being pushed. This pilot sat there doing seemingly nothing.


160 posted on 03/26/2015 10:21:21 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 154 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 121-140141-160161-180181-185 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson