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NYT: Pilot Locked Out of Cockpit Ahead of French Alps Crash
Fox News ^ | 25 March 2015 | On the Record with Greta Van Susteren

Posted on 03/25/2015 9:29:47 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican

The New York Times is reporting that a pilot was locked out of the cockpit of the Germanwings A320 plane which crashed Tuesday.

Evidence from a cockpit voice recorder reportedly reveals that one of the pilots left the cockpit and was unable to return...

More at Fox News http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/25/nyt-pilot-locked-out-cockpit-ahead-french-alps-crash

(Excerpt) Read more at insider.foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4u9525; 9525; crash; flight9525; france; germanwings; germany; lufthansa; terror; terrorism
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To: PghBaldy

Jihadophrenia.


81 posted on 03/26/2015 6:36:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The FCC takeover of the internet will quickly become a means to censorship of dissent.)
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To: nonliberal

He’s German.


82 posted on 03/26/2015 6:37:44 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Sarah Barracuda; Reaganite Republican; All

Pilot credentials can be stolen;see the link. If no one knew this copilot by sight perhaps he was killed and his credentials used by a flight trained terrorist. One of the passengers worked for an intelligence company that used satellite maps. Just thinking. About Lockerbie.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/iranian-pilot-sentenced-27-months-prison-stealing-us-pilot-s-identity-obtain-federal-aviation


83 posted on 03/26/2015 7:13:11 AM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (everything written by me on FR is my personal opinion & does not represent my employer)
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To: cynwoody
But at the time, I remembered the FedEx real-life case and had read Tom Clancy's fictional imaginings (disgruntled JAL 747 Captain Sato and the Capitol in the middle of a SOTU). So, the concept wasn't new to me, LOL!

I remember when I finished reading Debt of Honor. I kinda stopped and thought "did he really just kill off the entire congress?" Then I went back to re-read the last few pages. There was something deeply satisfying about it.

Kinda like when Independence Day was first in theaters. When the White House was blown up, people in the theater cheered.

 

84 posted on 03/26/2015 7:28:46 AM PDT by zeugma ( The Clintons Could Find a Loophole in a Stop Sign)
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To: GraceG

Airplanes kill people...


85 posted on 03/26/2015 9:17:43 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: lavaroise

We need airplane control.....


86 posted on 03/26/2015 9:20:56 AM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Was Andreas Lubitz homosexual?


87 posted on 03/26/2015 9:30:33 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Cementjungle
Actually, the black box recording indicates that the co-pilot dialed in a new cruise altitude that was 600 ft below AGL. He then pulled the throttles back to idle, and adjusted allowed airspeed to the maximum never exceed speed.

It was an apparent suicide.

88 posted on 03/26/2015 9:36:21 AM PDT by jonascord (It's sarcasm unless otherwise noted...)
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To: jonascord
It was an apparent suicide.

I would characterize it more as a mass-murder-suicide.

89 posted on 03/26/2015 9:43:57 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: dennisw

For the life of me, I don’t understand why the Egypt Air 900 pilot was allowed to fly after being reprimanded and suspended. That makes absolutely NO sense.

Suspend, hand in credentials, send the dude home and keep him away from anything with wings and passengers.


90 posted on 03/26/2015 10:30:31 AM PDT by bootless ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth."~RWR)
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To: alpo

Wow, I didn’t realize the other crew had timed out by a minute. In this case, thank you, FAA regs!


91 posted on 03/26/2015 10:32:18 AM PDT by bootless ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth."~RWR)
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To: PghBaldy
Besides jihad - There is one illness that can strike in young people, seemingly without warning - schizophrenia. He was near the average age of onset.

Paranoid schizophrenia (delusional behavior) or bi-polar disorder (suicidal behavior) was my guess as well, assuming Andreas Lubitz is his real name and he has no ties to Islamism or to some other radical cult or political party.

92 posted on 03/26/2015 2:25:16 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: cynwoody
The concept is much older. In 1978 ex-CIA hitman Nikola Kavaja hijacked a Boeing 707 airliner in NYC. Objective - to fly it to Europe and smash it into skyscraper that was symbol of Dictator Tito's Communist regime. His plan soured and he got 20 years in prison.

There was also another older movie, cannot recall it's name, about Air force One being hijacked for the same purpose.

There is only one problem with the concept of airliners being used as a missiles. Their engines compress air. Due to air density close to the ground, when they fly at very low altitude they can not fly faster than 250 knots. The only way to gain high speed at low altitude is to nosedive them from cruising speed at high altitude, but they would probably disintegrate mid-air. So airliners as missiles is is mostly Tom Clancy/F-X territory.

93 posted on 03/26/2015 6:40:09 PM PDT by DTA
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To: bootless

One of the pilots wrote a book called Hijacked.
I heard him on the radio describing the event.

The tapes of the communication to ATC are gripping.
It took about a half hour to get back to Memphis. The left seat pilot had been hit in the head with a claw hammer. He could barely see much less fly. The other pilot wrestled trying to subdue the perp. Pilot in command jerked the plane all over the sky to keep the perp from gaining advantage.

Highly recommended read.


94 posted on 03/26/2015 7:01:50 PM PDT by alpo
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To: DTA
There is only one problem with the concept of airliners being used as a missiles. Their engines compress air. Due to air density close to the ground, when they fly at very low altitude they can not fly faster than 250 knots. The only way to gain high speed at low altitude is to nosedive them from cruising speed at high altitude, but they would probably disintegrate mid-air. So airliners as missiles is is mostly Tom Clancy/F-X territory.

Not true. United 175 was doing 469 knots when it hit WTC 2, about 87 knots faster than AA 11 hit WTC 1. That's according to NIST (see here (18mb PDF), page 38). Flight 175 made a rapid descent after it was hijacked (about 5000 feet/min — faster than Germanwings), but there was no "nosedive". It was in more or less level flight when it hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4vvVyKyy0k

95 posted on 03/26/2015 9:34:31 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: DTA
In 1978 ex-CIA hitman Nikola Kavaja hijacked a Boeing 707 airliner in NYC. Objective - to fly it to Europe and smash it into skyscraper that was symbol of Dictator Tito's Communist regime. His plan soured and he got 20 years in prison.

He got 67 years, but only served 20. Interesting story.

96 posted on 03/26/2015 10:05:13 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

United 175 was Boeing 767-200.

According to published data top speed of B767-200 is Mach 0.86 (493 knots, 567 mph, 913 km/h at 35,000 ft cruise altitude.Typical Cruise Speed at 35,000 feet is Mach 0.80 (530 mph, 851 kph)

No doubt Boeing 76-200 can fly 469 knots at 35,000 ft, but can it fly at 469 knots at 1,000ft (approx. height of WTC2 impact)? That is question for Pratt & Whitney. Many pilots say it can not.


97 posted on 03/26/2015 11:36:03 PM PDT by DTA
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To: CivilWarBrewing

No, but he had a Muslim girlfriend


‘had a Muslim girlfriend. unclear if she was still dating Lubitz at the time of the crash’

http://stthomasaquinasversusnasa.blogspot.com.au/2015/03/muslim-convert-co-pilot-andreas-gunter.html


98 posted on 03/27/2015 12:41:44 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: DTA
No doubt Boeing 76-200 can fly 469 knots at 35,000 ft, but can it fly at 469 knots at 1,000ft (approx. height of WTC2 impact)? That is question for Pratt & Whitney. Many pilots say it can not.

The question is not can? but did?

I don't know how NIST arrived at their number, but there were videos of its final approach, so it should have been a simple question of, how much time was this airplane taking to get out of its own way? Given we know the airplane's exact length, it shouldn't be much of a challenge for the likes of NIST to derive a reliable estimate of its velocity, Pratt and Whitney and pilots' folklore notwithstanding.

99 posted on 03/27/2015 12:42:00 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
According to the 9/11 Commission report, the FDRs and CVRs from UA 175 and AA 11 were never found (see footnote 76, page 456).
100 posted on 03/27/2015 1:05:29 AM PDT by cynwoody
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