Posted on 03/14/2015 8:43:48 AM PDT by Strawberry AZ
I think a similar chart could be made to categorize conservatives and right-leaning libertarians. The Birchers would end up in the upper-left quadrant. They would be the ones that believed that the system was so rigged that nothing effectual could be done. They're mostly naysayers. They speak up only to drown out other more optimistic voices.
A study reveals the identify of several progressive and socialist organizations using Soros money to fight for an Article V convention.Article V Promoter Praises Democratic Leadership in Movement
Constitutional convention advocate Mark Meckler praised the participation of Democrats and others in the movement.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people. They know nothing about the Constitution. They just want their free stuff. Let the liberal states leave the union or kick them out.
This is America, and everyone, no matter their political persuasion, is entitled to the same protections offered by our Constitution.
PS: I've heard that George Soros votes. Does that make everyone who votes a bad, bad man? No... but it does make people who believe it (and who promulgate the lie) look like idiots.
That's the beauty of a COS... a free and open debate about Originalist thinking and how it framed the Constitution will teach EVERYONE everything they never knew about our country's foundation.
To deny them that education is the very definition of Elitism.
Can we send the Birchers and Libertarians on that one way Mars trip?
Not finding much in the text relevant to the issue here, I do, however, take your point about the chart and JBS's position relative to the majority of conservatives. They have given up and given in to the fear-mongers.
Unfortunately, fear is a terrible obstacle... it's one thing to be vigilant, to be cautious and deliberative. But to blindly succumb to fear, to be willingly led astray, to become paralyzed and incapable of cognizant discrimination between truth and disinformation, then to stand for nothing but obstructionism is another thing altogether.
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No need to send them... just tell Phyllis Schlafly and Publius Huldah that the Martians are about to amend their constitution, and they'll blast off on their own... the rest of their acolytes will simply follow.
It's what they do.
Let’s Roll!
I was attracted to the John Birch Society at the end of the 1960's because of their solid conservative principles and their unabashed anti-Communism--bold colors, as Ronald Reagan would say. But I soon noticed that they always seemed to oppose more optimistic voices. In the 1970's, I was an enthusiastic supporter of Ronald Reagan, but the Birchers were dead set against him. That, and their silly notion that a "Master Conspiracy" is behind all the bad things that are happening in the world disillusioned me.
The Birchers went on to be perhaps the only ones on the right to oppose Proposition 13, California's property tax limitation initiative. In the 1980's, they opposed supporting the Nicaraguan Contras, and in the 1990's, they opposed Newt Gingrich in his efforts to fulfill his Contract With America.
It's a safe bet that the Birchers will be going all out to sandbag Ted Cruz and Scott Walker in the upcoming presidential race.
Thanks... long time no see!
Hard to tell for this article, but I take it that it’s the John Birch Society folks who are afraid of COS.
There has always been something about the John Birch Society that seemed a bit wacko to me - the idea of “Help, the paranoids are after me.”
Having said that, I find that among conservatives in general and fair contingent here at FR, there’ a much greater emphasis on what is wrong than on pushing for a positive agenda to make things right. Like an old bad habit of cursing the darkness instead of lighting a light or getting on board with those that do.
What in the hell is wrong with you people?
The system is broken, it has been corrupted,
and when someone has an idea to try to fix it,
you all run around yelling and screaming:
Oh, my god, don’t do that, it might make it worse!
Get with the damn program, or get the hell out of the way.
In any system you have a group so disorganized they can not effectively benefit the group.
John Birchers is mostly such. They have some great ideas and observations but they’d rather argue and preach than organize and act.
You can try and ally with them but don’t make any effort to placate them at the expense of goal achievement.
We need the CoS to get this right. The system has gone so off balance the other method is impossible for achieving success. If JB don’t see it then they need to get out of the way because the time for action is here. It can’t get any worse.
The article is very biased.
I oppose COS not because I’m reflexively defeatist but because it won’t work. You won’t get “liberty amendments” by a COS whose members are chosen by the left and GOPe. You’ll get liberal amendments.
And once that liberalism is written into the Constitution, the next step I fear will be a civil war.
There are ways to fight the federal monster short of allowing the left and GOP establishment alter our basic social contract. It’s time for states to just say no.
1. What will fedzilla do when multiple states simply say, “Make me.”
2. What would fedzilla do if a state mandated that all taxes, including withholding and SS/Medicare, be remitted to the state - and the state will decide what to forward to Washington?
3. What will fedzilla do when a state criminalizes the actions of agencies such as EPA and issues warrants for the arrest of agents violating state law by enforcing illegal federal standards?
There is quite a bit of pushback available short of a process that can only lead to the destruction of our social contract that will come with devastating results to the society built on that contract.
I don’t oppose COS because I’m a defeatist. I oppose it because letting people opposed to liberty choose delegates to a constitutional convention is a bad strategy that will lead to war. COS supporters discount a runaway convention as not possible.
I disagree with good reason: who’ll choose the delegates?
Interesting our summations were similar. I swear I didn’t crib your comment.
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