Posted on 03/12/2015 8:24:47 PM PDT by QT3.14
Some University of Oklahoma students in the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity were videorecorded singing (as best I and others can tell),
There will never be a nigger at SAE There will never be a nigger at SAE You can hang him from a tree But he’ll never sign with me There will never be a nigger at SAE
University of Oklahoma president David Boren said, “If I’m allowed to, these students will face suspension or expulsion.” [UPDATE: The president has indeed expelled two of the students.] But he is not, I think, allowed to do that.
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Boot their asses out.
As I said, that is immaterial.
No one will hire them.
They will not hire them because their customers will google them.
I would not hire them as I am not in the business of pissing off employees or customers.
I might hire them, if they were productive, were willing to work for less than others because of the "baggage", and they were able to work without customers knowing their real names.
Therefore your statement "no one will hire them" is false.
Keep in mind they can legally change their names later.
You can bet they will change their names.
Does the prospect please you?
Some of the ferals--excuse me, "protestors"- have shown up at the home of the guy who led the chant. Maybe they'll drag him outside and do God knows what. That should make the white guilters happy.
Meanwhile, as I posted the other day, Black Panthers called for the murder of white men, women, and babies. THAT, unlike some line in a song, was a genuine threat.
Not one peep against Howard U for not pulling this guy off the podium.
As long as people like Kamal are given podiums with clapping audiences, I'm not really interested in hearing from people getting bent out of shape over what some stupid frat boys choose to sing.
“Meanwhile, as I posted the other day, Black Panthers called for the murder of white men, women, and babies.”
If those Black Panthers are students at the University of Oklahoma, I think the school has a right to expel those students.
How about you?
Do you think a university should have the right to expel Black Panthers who call for the murder of white men, women, and babies?
The word is they withdrew from OU prior it being expelled.
Apparently no free speech on campus. People should be held accountable for actions not words. It is simply telling of a university that claims a free speech academic atmosphere would try to suppress or expel any student for any speech rather than simply debate them.
Academic freedom means exploring and disputing ideas no matter how disreputable, condemned, or insulting not simply expelling the ones who happen to speak them. If any university cannot hold itself to that standard it has no business claiming any kind of academic freedom or openness.
“No need to expel them. They’ll depart on their own. They’ve soiled their own nests.”
If you mean they won’t get a fair shake in grading because they happen to have spoken of other non-related ideas in their free time that their professors don’t like. You are much to the disgrace of the academic honestly of the University of Oklahoma probably right.
It really doesn’t matter what a student says anywhere else, a honest and legitimate school grades them only on the subject at hand given the materials submitted. The fact that so many students are forced to live under the thumb of so many dishonest professors who will not so honestly & fairly judge & educate them is a great disgrace not only to the illegitimacy and integrity of the teacher/professor in question but to their university as well.
Not only public dime should ever be wasted on such a course taught by such dishonest & manipulative standards. I don’t care what the kid said outside of the class room, it is not legitimately relevant.
I’ve been thou a university system in the last 10 years and I can tell you only a minority of my teachers ever worked in the real world and from those that did , I learned the most.
“”The kids in question will be lucky to land jobs as greeters at the Cracker Barrel.”
You are correct. Their future lives appear pretty bleak.
And you think this is an appropriate level of punishment for singing a song, probably while drunk, and while they thought they were among friends who would not care. “
Indeed it is not, I’ve heard far more foolish stuff said of other topics that deserve no less condemnation. Kids particularly drunk kids should be expected to make mistakes that is part of growing up.
“Not all crimes result in arrests”
Mere words are NOT a crime! or has the first amendment to the Federal Constitution and SECTION II-22. “Liberty of speech and press “ in the Oklahoma State Constitution been repealed?
“I would not hire them as I am not in the business of pissing off employees or customers.”
I would not retain employees who would become disgruntled at other employees simply because of something they did in the past entirely unrelated to their job. That is most non-professional attitude that will invariably lead to conflict on a wide host of issues leading a hostile and dysfunctional workplace.
After all if your going to get all bent out of shape over something a coworker said or did 10 years ago your clearly don’t have the present of mind to focus on your job. I don’t even want to think about what you might do should a customer display similarly disagreeable thoughts & tendencies. Employees should rightfully be expected to retain a professional attitude at work, and that means working with people you may disagree with.
As for customers they have no business knowing the personal identities and histories of any employee. They need only know that they passed a background check and are deemed safe. If necessary I may ask an employee to go by a different name.
Getting told to "cut it out" would have been appropriate. Suspending or expelling them from the frat would have been the limit of what I would consider appropriate. What they are going through is WAY beyond what I would consider a just response to their singing a song.
I agree with you. Such a hyper-sensitive employee would just find something else to be upset about, eventually. Best to wait a while, and use the next goof that the employee makes as an excuse to fire him or her.
If I overheard an employee expressing glee about the punishment of the frat boys, I would put that employee on a list of people who are potential trouble, and let them go at first opportunity.
“Getting told to “cut it out” would have been appropriate. Suspending or expelling them from the frat would have been the limit of what I would consider appropriate. What they are going through is WAY beyond what I would consider a just response to their singing a song.”
I don’t even think expelling them from the frat is appropriate. Asking them to ‘cut it out’ is fine thou. I think people obscenely over sensitive to mere words. Words never harmed anyone who wasn’t looking to be harmed. Sticks and stones are the only things that consern me
“If I overheard an employee expressing glee about the punishment of the frat boys, I would put that employee on a list of people who are potential trouble, and let them go at first opportunity.”
You can decide how much non-work related conversation you find acceptable in your work place, were it me however I’d give warnings and speech on the need to maintain a professional work place environment. Specifically working with people with whom you may personally disagree. Business is not politics, and while I may permit non-professional conversation in the work place(So long as it does not get in the way of doing the job) I do not permit non-professional behavior regardless of where it may come from.
If an employee cannot control their behavior and feelings then they are on notice to learn quickly, for I will not long tolerate a serous threat to work place peace and productivity from a non-professional employee.
“If I overheard an employee expressing glee about the punishment of the frat boys, I would put that employee on a list of people who are potential trouble, and let them go at first opportunity.”
You can decide how much non-work related conversation you find acceptable in your work place, were it me however I’d give warnings and speech on the need to maintain a professional work place environment. Specifically working with people with whom you may personally disagree. Business is not politics, and while I may permit non-professional conversation in the work place(So long as it does not get in the way of doing the job) I do not permit non-professional behavior regardless of where it may come from.
If an employee cannot control their behavior and feelings then they are on notice to learn quickly, for I will not long tolerate a serous threat to work place peace and productivity from a non-professional employee.
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