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Ethanol: The GOP-Supported Rip-Off
Townhall.com ^ | March 5, 2015 | Larry Elder

Posted on 03/05/2015 5:44:03 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 03/05/2015 5:44:03 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Corporate welfare and GOPee graft and corruption.


2 posted on 03/05/2015 5:46:20 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Kaslin

Does our gummint mandate that ethanol be blended with gasoline? I for one would gladly pay more for PURE gasoline. I know I could go to a local marina for that, but seems to me there would be a ready market, especially as the price of crude supposedly will dive this spring.


3 posted on 03/05/2015 5:48:57 AM PST by tgusa
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To: Kaslin

This is a total scam. Ethanol attracts water and lowers gas mileage.


4 posted on 03/05/2015 5:49:06 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: tgusa
Does our gummint mandate that ethanol be blended with gasoline?

The mandate is a certain amount of ethanol has to be sold in the gasoline market. Only certain areas require reformulted gasoline that contains ethanol.

So they do mandate the use of ethanol, but the feds do not mandate every gallon contains ethanol.

5 posted on 03/05/2015 5:51:51 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Kaslin

Its extreme subsidy and its transport difficulties and energy content delivery aside, ethanol is one of the worst tricks played on the car owner. It destroys seals, gaskets and ruins sensors (O2, in particularly). Since its large scale use, I’ve had two Hondas, a Dodge Ram and an F150 all get the same O2 sensor error that would lead the layman to believe their catalytic convertor was going bad.

I just now have and OBDII CAN reader/controller than can kill the service light. I’d like to take all the politicians who pushed this stuff through and mash their faces in a cow pie.


6 posted on 03/05/2015 5:52:28 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin

there is no difference between the GOP and the Dems.

What we are seeing with John Boehner and Mitch McConnell is the same we saw with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid: approval of expanding government and support of a runaway POTUS’s desire to take down America.

I will NEVER give to the GOP again.


7 posted on 03/05/2015 5:54:22 AM PST by bestintxas (Every time a RINO is defeated a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: tgusa

“I for one would gladly pay more for PURE gasoline”

try these places. I fill up at a feed store close by
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=TX


8 posted on 03/05/2015 5:56:03 AM PST by bestintxas (Every time a RINO is defeated a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: Kaslin

Ethanol has to be distilled, requiring heat.

The energy (BTU’s) required to heat the corn to the proper boiling point to distill ethanol is in excess of the energy (BTU’s) stored in the ethanol.

It makes sense to distill corn into moonshine, potatoes into vodka and grain or peat into whiskey as the product gains in value.

Ethanol is distilled for votes.


9 posted on 03/05/2015 6:02:05 AM PST by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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The real Iowa kingmaker

A dozen potential Republican presidential candidates are about to sit down, one by one, with the biggest GOP donor in Iowa — a multimillionaire few people outside the state have ever heard of.

Bruce Rastetter, an agribusiness mogul who’s made a fortune in pork, ethanol and farm real estate, has long worked behind the scenes to help bankroll conservatives across the country, but Saturday is a public coming out party of sorts for Rastetter as he hosts the first-ever Iowa Agriculture Summit. It’s an event designed to promote farm policy in a state where pigs outnumber voters 10 to one, but it’s also a bold display of the political power Rastetter has amassed — and a reminder to candidates that his endorsement would be a big get ahead of the Iowa caucuses.

It’s an unusually public gig for a donor: Rastetter will chat with each candidate on-stage for 20 minutes before 1,000 Iowans and dozens of media outlets. He’ll get to ask Jeb Bush what exactly he thinks about ethanol, pepper Scott Walker with questions about EPA regulations and quiz Marco Rubio about where he stands on GMO labeling, if he wants. Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Donald Trump and Mike Huckabee will enter the agriculture policy ring, too.

Excerpt. Read more: Politico

10 posted on 03/05/2015 6:02:17 AM PST by COBOL2Java ("God save America" - we are at the dawn of a new dark age)
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To: Paladin2
Corporate welfare and GOPee graft and corruption.

Not to mention the Iowa caucuses.

11 posted on 03/05/2015 6:02:22 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Democrats: the Party of slavery to the immensely wealthy for over 200 years.)
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Today, according to the USDA, ethanol accounts for roughly 6.6 percent of total transport fuel consumption, but consumes about 40 percent of the U.S. corn supply.

We're using topsoil as fuel, the dumbest environmental policy in American history.

12 posted on 03/05/2015 6:06:58 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Democrats: the Party of slavery to the immensely wealthy for over 200 years.)
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To: bestintxas

A station in my neighborhood is now carrying the non-corn stuff. I bought 5 gallons for the two running oldies. Beats a30 minute trek.


13 posted on 03/05/2015 6:11:30 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: bestintxas

Thanks! Looks like most of the stations offering ethanol-free gas are out in the ‘country ‘ - I’ll have to check the Southern States stations when I’m out that way.


14 posted on 03/05/2015 6:19:36 AM PST by tgusa
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ROTFLMAO (mash faces in a cow pie)

I ruined a perfectly good John Deere lawnmower using that ethanol crap.


15 posted on 03/05/2015 6:22:02 AM PST by tgusa
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To: Carry_Okie
Government mandates are a lousy idea; however, ethanol doesn't "consume" 40% of the US corn crop.

Corn used as an ethanol feedstock is also used as animal feed.

16 posted on 03/05/2015 6:24:05 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: BBB333
The energy (BTU’s) required to heat the corn to the proper boiling point to distill ethanol is in excess of the energy (BTU’s) stored in the ethanol.

While I am no fan of the Ethanol Mandate, the claim above is not true.

17 posted on 03/05/2015 6:29:06 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Oh yeah....ethanol will eat up gaskets in small engines, especially those flimsy gaskets and cheap plastic fuel lines in 2 cycle engines for sure.


18 posted on 03/05/2015 6:31:23 AM PST by Gaffer
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You, most assuredly, are misinformed.

UC scientist says ethanol uses more energy than it makes:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/UC-scientist-says-ethanol-uses-more-energy-than-2659237.php

Study: Ethanol Production Consumes Six Units Of Energy To Produce Just One:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050329132436.htm

Efficiency and Environmental Improvements of Corn Ethanol Production (The Net Energy Balance focuses on whether it takes more energy to produce ethanol than is contained in the ethanol. The answer to this question is yes. If it took less, ethanol production would be breaking the laws of physics and creating energy where there was none before.):

http://www.agmrc.org/renewable_energy/ethanol/efficiency-and-environmental-improvements-of-corn-ethanol-production/


19 posted on 03/05/2015 6:40:26 AM PST by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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That is only true if you count the “solar power” used to grow the corn.

The Energy Balance of
Corn Ethanol: An Update
http://www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/AF/265.pdf


20 posted on 03/05/2015 6:44:58 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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