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To: rottndog

I’m stating the current dynamics.

As to whether it is morally okay or not? Well, I don’t think I’d want to limit the right of a business owner to set up an operation overseas or to hire overseas-based contractors.

Once that’s established, I think it’s kind of difficult to keep some business owners from wanting to move aspects of their operations to where it’s more cost effective.

Likewise, if I were an employer with a high-cost employee, but I realized I could hire someone to do the work for significantly less than that employee would accept, I wouldn’t want to be forced to keep the higher-cost employee.

The trouble with most job protectionism is that it can only be done at the violation of rights of others. And, those others tend to be employers, who are pretty useful when it comes to sustaining jobs.

NY, IL or CA can enforce ever greater costs and constraints on their employers—but they can’t stop them from up and moving to TX or FL, where the costs and regulations are lower.


48 posted on 03/02/2015 8:56:10 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
Likewise, if I were an employer with a high-cost employee, but I realized I could hire someone to do the work for significantly less than that employee would accept, I wouldn’t want to be forced to keep the higher-cost employee.

And in doing so you most likely throw away years of experience and have an employee with no knowledge of your business, your customers both internal and external, your applications and your environment. So that lower cost employee will spend years taking twice as long as the experienced employee to do the same amount of work. And by the time he/she has the experience then they're a high cost employee so you can fire them and start all over again.

51 posted on 03/02/2015 9:01:22 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: 9YearLurker

I appreciate clarity and truth above all else....

It’s good enough for me that you acknowledge that the ‘high tech labor shortage’ excuse for the drive for more H-1B imports is a lie.

Too bad so much of the corporatist elite are incapable of the same honesty.


53 posted on 03/02/2015 9:31:10 AM PST by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: 9YearLurker
he trouble with most job protectionism is that it can only be done at the violation of rights of others.

There is not right to Free Trade. Your rights and end at the waters edge.

55 posted on 03/02/2015 9:43:37 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 9YearLurker

True, but the cost of labor cannot be the only factor. I suppose I could hire savages from the rainforest of Brazil cheaper than even Indians, but would they KNOW how to even do the job, let along bring value—and therefore, profitability—to my company?

So much hinges on that. I would contend that not everyone outsources or uses HB-1, because they simply do not see the value of it compared to the skill of their more highly paid employees.

All business is Darwinian—the survival of the fittest. That Congress is playing crony capitalism by either subsidizing or penalizing certain industries should be very troubling to a true Libertarian. Every country in the world, even the libertarian ones, have immigration laws, defend their borders, etc. To throw that all to the wind and let unbridled immigration would be a total disaster for that country, and frankly, this is what worries so much of us. Libertarians need to come up with a comprehensive immigration policy that does the least harm to their own citizens.

I would contend that Orrin Hatch, et al, know what they’re doing when it comes to promoting HB-1, which is raking in the contributions/lobbyist dollars, etc. It has very little to do with their sense of duty or wisdom on economic theory.


57 posted on 03/02/2015 11:18:56 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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