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Why Chief Justice Roberts will save Obamacare again
Fortune.com ^ | 03/02/2015 | Roger Parloff

Posted on 03/02/2015 5:44:11 AM PST by GIdget2004

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To: bgill

Prove it, as you say so glibly


61 posted on 03/02/2015 7:30:25 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: House Atreides

Roberts is likely having nightmares over NY Slimes and WaPo headlines the first time some subsidy recipient who ends up losing his coverage gets sick. “Chief Justice KILLED Him!” will be the screaming headline.


62 posted on 03/02/2015 7:30:39 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"The Founding Fathers NEVER intended for these activist bastards to have the power that they now have."

Yes some did. Read Hamilton's "long-winded" rant in response to the anti-Federalists' objection to Article III (Section 1 but especially Section 2) of the Constitution. Madison and many of the Federalists wanted a "natural aristocracy" of "educated" oligarchs. Although the Federalists disintegrated as a Party, the ideology won out with Article III (Judicial Review, Section 2) being a potent weapon in their arsenal.
63 posted on 03/02/2015 7:37:22 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If the Rats write one, they’ll have enough Pubes to pass it. One way or another, the subsides will happen.


64 posted on 03/02/2015 7:38:15 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
"Had Obama been white, Roberts would have slammed him."

Yes, it was a stroke of genius when the Democrat Party realized they had a Presidential candidate that to criticize him would be politically incorrect. If anyone criticized their homosexual Muslim Kenyan President, they would be immediately chastised for being a homophobic Islamophobic racists.

65 posted on 03/02/2015 7:40:54 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Sorry need to proofread better; exchange Madison for Adams although Madison eventually saw the potential damage later when he promoted Article III himself and joined the anti-Federalist’s POV (After ratification unfortunately).
66 posted on 03/02/2015 7:41:22 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: GIdget2004

2+2=4


67 posted on 03/02/2015 7:41:59 AM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: montag813

he’s gay


68 posted on 03/02/2015 7:56:45 AM PST by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: GIdget2004

This is a pathetic attempt to sway Judge Roberts. All Roberts has to do is point out that the purveyors of Obamacare LIED and he is off the hook.


69 posted on 03/02/2015 8:06:08 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Labyrinthos

I think you are correct. It will go: SCOTUS, no. Congress: no new law. Obama: yes.

In a sense, we are just “playing house,” a game kids used to play: You be the mother, I’ll be the child, etc. I use this term for the kibuki that constitutes running Republican candidates in a 10-to-1 Democrat district: You be the candidate, I’ll be the campaign manager, etc.

But now it’s going on at the national level in a country that is not 10-to-1 Democrat. Patriots go through the motions but it is just a game. Obama always gets his way.


70 posted on 03/02/2015 8:18:19 AM PST by firebrand
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The correct ruling is to toss Obamacare out; based on facts and law. Roberts tortured explanation from the last ruling seemed based on what he felt the sign of the times was; which is wrong on so many levels. So now he wants to protect his earlier ruling based on Gruber LIES?

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson

71 posted on 03/02/2015 8:20:21 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: piytar

>>THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE.<<

Yes, well when a columnist attempting a legal argument “sites” a case, he sort of loses credibility anyway, no?


72 posted on 03/02/2015 8:22:42 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: GIdget2004

In a perfect world the vote would be a 9-0 finding against providing the subsidies, together with a rebuke to the executive branch for spending billions of taxpayer dollars without authorization, accompanied by a strong suggestion that criminal acts have taken place that should be pursued by the Justice Department.

I state the above so we can see how far we’ve moved from that perfect, i.e., legal, world.

But then, maybe the Court will surprise us....


73 posted on 03/02/2015 8:35:25 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: montag813

>>There is a 0% chance that Roberts will side with conservatives on this.<<

I actually think it’s more like 90-10 that the Court will find the subsidies illegal. Despite the Left’s many assertions, the clear language of the law, and its history, argue for their being found unlawful.

However, another consideration is the speed with which they took up King vs. Burwell. There was only a conflict between appeals courts because that case originally found that the subsidies were legal. The DC Court, in a 3-judge panel, found that they were illegal. That created the conflict, but then Obama packed the DC Court and after the packing the full court agreed to rehear the case. Virtually everyone knew that was going to result in a reversal, which would remove the conflict between appeals courts.

So, if the Supreme Court wanted to duck the issue, all they had to do is wait for the DC Court to reverse its own 3-judge panel. Instead, as advocated by some conservative writers, the Supreme Court hurriedly decided to take up King vs. Burwell (while the conflict still existed.)

I don’t believe they would have bothered to do that unless they had already decided that misreading the clear words of a statute was a bridge too far. But we’ll see in June or July, I guess.

Incidentally, by that time the GOP should have a solid overhaul of the healthcare mess ready to go. If they do, the screaming will fall on the Dems. If they don’t, they’ll be demagogued mercilessly.


74 posted on 03/02/2015 8:45:01 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: KC_Conspirator

My hope is that there is a buyers’ remorse thing kicking in - the disaster of Obama Care is known now by Roberts. I think he was naive enough not to see that coming, but he can’t escape that now.

Like I said, I’m 50-50 on it....because King is such a strong case.


75 posted on 03/02/2015 8:46:45 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: GIdget2004

I suspect that, right or wrong, Roberts will do what he thinks is right.

The issue here is whether the term “exchange established by the state,” is a term of art. If it is, then the SCOTUS may have the intellectual basis and legal authority to uphold DHS’s subsidies.

If it is not, then the plain language of the statute should prevail.

Personally, I think that the “term of art” argument should not prevail because there is no showing, such as a formal definition, that the phrase at issue is a term of art - or that the Congress so intended it to be. Let’s face it - it’s a badly written and thought-out piece of legislation.

We know that four of the SCOTUS will interpret the phrase as a term of art because they’re schills with no care what the law is. That’s the downside to Roberts doing what he thinks is right.


76 posted on 03/02/2015 8:48:34 AM PST by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I hope Roberts has buyers remorse too.


77 posted on 03/02/2015 9:01:48 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: The_Victor

“...There are public statements made by lawmakers and administration supporters during the writing of the ACA, detailing the carrot/stick approach of tax breaks for state exchanges only.”
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ABSOLUTELY. There are all kinds of federal laws that employ “carrots/sticks” to encourage the states to do certain things. This is same-old, same-old and is as close to a “black and white” case as you can get.


78 posted on 03/02/2015 9:04:26 AM PST by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose!)
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To: DJ Taylor
Yes, it was a stroke of genius when the Democrat Party realized they had a Presidential candidate that to criticize him would be politically incorrect.

I had that exact same stroke of Genius back in 1996. I told anyone who would listen that we ought to nominate a Black Conservative for President because we would have gained all that "Historical first" benefit and would also have put the media into the position of having difficulty in criticizing anything he said or did.

Had we nominated a strong Black conservative, much of the misery we are currently dealing with would never have happened.

Unfortunately we put principle above pragmatism. Had we just been willing to look at people as a "color" we would have cleaned the Democrat's clocks.

79 posted on 03/02/2015 9:11:49 AM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: txrefugee

You’re right.


80 posted on 03/02/2015 10:01:26 AM PST by libstripper (")
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