Posted on 03/01/2015 9:36:33 AM PST by tcrlaf
The Bethlehem-based news agency Ma’an has cited a Kuwaiti newspaper report Saturday, that US President Barack Obama thwarted an Israeli military attack against Iran's nuclear facilities in 2014 by threatening to shoot down Israeli jets before they could reach their targets in Iran.
According to Al-Jarida, the Netanyahu government took the decision to strike Iran some time in 2014 soon after Israel had discovered the United States and Iran had been involved in secret talks over Iran’s nuclear program and were about to sign an agreement in that regard behind Israel's back.
The report claimed that an unnamed Israeli minister who has good ties with the US administration revealed the attack plan to Secretary of State John Kerry, and that Obama then threatened to shoot down the Israeli jets before they could reach their targets in Iran.
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Former US diplomat Zbigniew Brzezinski, who enthusiastically campaigned for Obama in 2008, called on him to shoot down Israeli planes if they attack Iran. “They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?” said the former national security advisor to former President Jimmy Carter in an interview with the Daily Beast.
“We have to be serious about denying them that right,” he said. “If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a 'Liberty' in reverse.’
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I guess it was a heavily self deprecating mea culpa (in part because I felt stupid for leaping before I looked).
Either way I guess we both learned something valuable :)
Indeed!
And that's why I love FR!
Yep, I, VerySadAmerica, thinks it’s “very sad”.
The military isn’t allowed to have live ammo around him.
Too much collateral damage unless using something like JDAMs or JSOW.... NYC for example:
And yeah I know that these people are nuttier than squirrel turds.
That's pretty scary. Al-Baghdadi said, "See you in New York." Bibi's thinking, "I don't want this to happen in Jerusalem." We'll see if we have the stones to do some preventive medicine. .
The Air Force isn’t going to be as trigger happy as you are making them out to be.
Nothing I wrote could be equated with “trigger happy.” That would be like saying Chris Kyle was on a “killing spree.” But I stand by my point: if they are given a legal order to shoot down an IAF (or any other) aircraft they will do their best to do just that.
It is the duty of an officer to question if an order is “legal” or not. They are not robots, and they are not going to blindly follow any order that they think is questionable.... IE indiscriminately firing on US civilians, shooting down known allies, etc.
The perfumed princes of the five sided puzzle palace may be all “Yes Sir! Three bags full sir!” in regards to EmpERROR Zero, but the field commanders (who are the ones that matter BTW) are nothing like that.
You aren’t telling me anything I don’t know first-hand. Being ordered to shoot down any foreign warplane is not nearly as close to a possibly illegal order as being ordered to fire on unarmed civilians of one’s own country, so that’s not a very good comparison. Add to that the speed with which events happen in the air and the potentially lethal effects of hesitation, and chances are that young aviator is going to execute that order and ponder its legality or morality later.
I certainly don’t agree with it, I think it would be a goddamn disgrace to attack an allied aircraft on a mission that does not endanger US interests, but I think it would be very possible under the current circumstances.
I honestly don’t think it would happen.
Would our jets scramble? Maybe.
Would they close for a visual? Probably.
Would they fire without being fired upon? No.
As long as the Israelis don’t lock on we’d have no valid reason to engage. And vice versa.
Can they be shot down with ship to air missiles?
Dunno, but I kind of think foot soldiers, to put it crudely, do what they are ordered to do.
Of course they do. But someday you have to take off the uniform and live with what you did.
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