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For Asian Americans, a changing landscape on college admissions
LA Times ^

Posted on 02/28/2015 12:27:35 AM PST by TigerClaws

n a windowless classroom at an Arcadia tutoring center, parents crammed into child-sized desks and dug through their pockets and purses for pens as Ann Lee launches a PowerPoint presentation.

Her primer on college admissions begins with the basics: application deadlines, the relative virtues of the SAT versus the ACT and how many Advanced Placement tests to take.

Then she eases into a potentially incendiary topic — one that many counselors like her have learned they cannot avoid.

“Let's talk about Asians,” she says.

Lee's next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant's race is worth. She points to the first column.

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says. Asian Americans would lose out under affirmative action Asian Americans would lose out under affirmative action

She points to the second column.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; california; demagogicparty; prop209; proposition209; quotas; racenorming
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Fake diplomas, fake grades, from fake schools.

A lot of Asian Americans were born here, went to USA High Schools (the same ones your kids went to) and graduated at the top of their classes.

I know because I interview for my college.

21 posted on 02/28/2015 1:28:15 AM PST by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: Jack Black
Really.

Lots of foreigners come study in American universities. No shame in that for them, is there? No reason why americans shouldn't study at fine institutions in China which are 5% better than Princeton, run by people that are, as you say, 5% smarted than everyone else. Sounds like they would be places that a hard-studying 5% smarter than eveyone else chinese-american needs to be.

22 posted on 02/28/2015 1:32:16 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
And let's all use performance-enhancing drugs too. And every other unethical scheme the chinese use.

Yeah, that's right,most Asians use drugs to get into college.

Ha ha ha.

23 posted on 02/28/2015 1:32:30 AM PST by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Well, sure, except for most of the Asian kids were born here. Maybe their parents went to University or Texas or Michigan, as immigrants, and they are applying to Harvard and Princeton. As born and educated in the USA citizens.

I guess if you are a racist you could think that they should not be admitted as readily as white kids, despite having superior transcripts and board scores.

At least just man up and admit you are racist, and stop pretending that Asians are all cheating, that's pretty low. Real racists can admit that they just favor their own group, regardless of scores and such. Man up and quit acting like a dissembling tard.

24 posted on 02/28/2015 1:41:15 AM PST by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: Jack Black
you are a racist you... you are racist

What are you, a Chinese Al Sharpton?

25 posted on 02/28/2015 1:45:17 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: DB

...”The cost of this idiocy is going to mount over the coming years.”...

You are so correct in calling this idiocy. The hatred of college administrators toward traditional common sense is Orwellian as everything they act on seems to be just opposite to any principles of normal logic. No nation can survive under such idiocy. We are on the verge of coming under dictatorship which the academics want because they think they will be a part of the rule that way. They need to do an intense study of history to see how their ilk fares under such conditions. We all know why they do not want the brilliant in their colleges..It is because the brilliant tend not to be sheep and are less susceptible to brainwashing.


26 posted on 02/28/2015 2:41:14 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

This is not an argument for lowering the standards for college admission which will prove to be very bad for this nation.


27 posted on 02/28/2015 2:44:59 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Gene Eric

What makes the people who write these guidelines think that hiring managers won’t adjust SAT scores in the other direction? Sooner or later, these students are going to run into something that the administrators cannot fix.


28 posted on 02/28/2015 2:54:03 AM PST by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Mr, Osgood..That is a very unfair and racist thing to say. There are many Chinese Americans who are just as American as you are. There are many families who have adopted children from China who are no different to them than their biological children. I know several of these families and their kids, none of whom fit your degrading description of wonderful and deserving human beings. We desperately need true equality in this nation and a merit system is the best way to achieve that. Give credit where credit is due. Anything else divides people and causes very bad feelings.


29 posted on 02/28/2015 2:57:02 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: TigerClaws

This is the great conundrum. Asians value education and it’s practical benefits. Their kids go to night prep schools after day school to give them the advantage. No midnight basketball or mall ratting. Superior preparation most often wins out


30 posted on 02/28/2015 3:07:30 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: TigerClaws

A majority of Asian-Americans vote for lib pols. This is the thanks they get, and it is what they deserve for voting for lib pols.


31 posted on 02/28/2015 3:41:57 AM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Why is it b.s.? A cursory study of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean students reveals many of them to be fanatics about study.


32 posted on 02/28/2015 3:44:22 AM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Gene Eric
"affront to reason"

The whole edifice of modern liberalism is an affront to reason.

33 posted on 02/28/2015 3:45:24 AM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: TigerClaws

The evil that will ‘come of this’ is already here. This is PC, nothing more nothing less. PC has two elements of function. One is that ‘the rules’ come from the ether and the second is the acceptance of MULTIPLE and illogical truth in the minds of individuals. (This pretty much destroys the mind as a useful tool for problem solving)

There is reality which gets shunted off to the side for the operative ‘truth’ which is treated as if it were reality. This conditions the mind to accept bullshit AND to fear the real truth.

The damage of a half century of this political conditioning is manifested by the presence of a pretender in the White House. He could not have been considered for the presidency or run WITHOUT the assistance of the conditioned mind that is the result of PC enforcement. The nation would simply have rejected ANYONE white or black prior to the PC era. PC conditioning is why he can dismiss the rule of law without fear of consequences.

We have been played. It has already happened. There are no future consequences that we can avoid if we somehow stop being what we are and magically become what we were and rise up. The ship has sailed. We wait now for the shit to hit the fan.


34 posted on 02/28/2015 4:28:17 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job..)
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To: Cowboy Bob
The schools reputation cratered, and the minorities couldn't become practicing lawyers. And a lot of Alumni stopped donating money. Who benefited?

Administrators, who made their race quotas and got their ticket punched for advancement in the race/gender grievance industry.

35 posted on 02/28/2015 4:34:53 AM PST by sphinx
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To: TigerClaws

No point in mincing words: Asians are getting f*cked.


36 posted on 02/28/2015 4:56:53 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: TigerClaws

It was posted a week ago...it’s a VERY IMPORTANT topic and one that could deliver conservatives MILLIONS of voters if Republican leaders would simply stop trusting their advisers (most of them gay, by the way).

Asians are getting SCREWED these days and people here need to know it - so thanks for posting it again...hopefully it reaches more people.


37 posted on 02/28/2015 5:12:14 AM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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To: jazzlite

You are so correct in calling this idiocy. The hatred of college administrators toward traditional common sense is Orwellian as everything they act on seems to be just opposite to any principles of normal logic.


In all fairness, I would not take it out on them totally. Some are definitely complicit, but many (most) know better. Part of it is the top tier leadership of many colleges or college systems (Univ of XXX + satellite campuses) is dedicated to diversity at any cost. This, in turn, is driven by Federal regulations that control financial aid and other types of funding. So, they have to dance to the music as it were. Probably a lot of them work quietly behind the scenes to limit the damage.

The other thing is, no matter what kind of “bonus” these students get on paper, I doubt that many of these Ivy League schools will fundamentally change. It’s just lip service. The ones that will really suffer are the middle and lower tier state schools who can’t finesse the stats as well.


38 posted on 02/28/2015 5:33:53 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Jack Hammer

And, yet, most Asians are extremely liberal. Go figure.


39 posted on 02/28/2015 5:34:59 AM PST by rbg81
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To: TigerClaws

What a country! if your genetic background favors high intelligence and your culture stresses hard work and achievement you are punished.


40 posted on 02/28/2015 5:39:00 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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