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To: tcrlaf

The ignorant thing, is that had the Maidan bomb throwers simply waited a year, about now was time to elect a new president. They could have simply organized and had a campaign. They seem to win about every other time, and had a fair shot to do so in 2015.
All of this could have been avoided, thousands of innocent lives spared, and Kiev wouldn’t be covered in Nazi soot.


10 posted on 02/25/2015 6:34:01 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
They could have simply organized and had a campaign.

One of the reasons the Kiev Maidan grew so large and became a vehicle for 'regime change' was precisely because the opponents of President Yanukovitch (including the meddlers from the US and Europe) couldn't agree on a single candidate to rally around in the next election.

Even Poroshenko, the oaf who eventually got elected, held a portfolio in the Party of Regions.

47 posted on 02/26/2015 5:15:59 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: DesertRhino

“The ignorant thing, is that had the Maidan bomb throwers simply waited a year, about now was time to elect a new president.”

The crisis was precipitated by Russia and its agents within the Ukrainian government and Ukrainian businesses and the kleptocrats, Russian and Ukrainian, they used for their business and criminal activities. The Ukrainian people have been forced to wait for a century and longer to gain some degree of mastery over their own homeland and its economy. Russians have systematically looted the Ukraine for generations, and the promise of ending that Russian looting of the Ukraine was seen to be in jeapordy when the Russians used massive vote fraud, especially in the eastern oblasts, to engineer several coups by fraudulent elections.

The last straws that broke the patience of the Ukrainian people came together in recent years as the Russians and former communists in the Party of Regions and otherwise facilitated a reign of terror against their opponents. This included Yanukovych and his ministers conducting the kidnapping, torture, assassination, and murder of journalists and political opponents before they could have an effect in the latest political corruption investigations, elections, and foreign trade agreements.

The Russian FSB and Russian agents leading the Ukrainian SBU provoked resistance as they carried out these covert and criminal assaults upon prominent Ukrainian and Russian-Ukrainian opponents. Each time Yanukovych and his Russian supporters attempted to push the Ukraine into a more integrated relationship with Russia the more alarmed the Ukrainian people and opponents became. The more alarmed the Ukrainians became about being pushed into more Russian domination of the Ukraine, the more the Ukrainians reacted with a need to abandon non-alignment in favor of EU and NATO affiliation before Yanukovych and his Russian masters could force the Ukraine and its people into the full control of Russia and its kleptocrats. So, when Yanukovych and his administration attempted to annul the people’s voting results and will to adopt ties with the EU as a means of escaping Russian domination, the Maidan protestors abandoned all hope the Ukrainian’s elected officials in the parliament and their legislation keeping the Ukraine out of Russian domination would ever be respected by Yanukovych’s administration. Their estimate has since been proven to have been correct, because Putin and Russia had already given the go ahead to conquer as much of the Ukraine as possible by armed force when their plans for political subversion through Yanukovych failed with the Ukrainian parliament’s adoption of closer ties with the EU.

In other words, it made no difference in the end whether or not the Maidan protests took place, because Putin and Russia had already decided to attempt the conquest of the Ukraine and other territories needed to realize the imperial ambitions of their long stalled Novorussiya project. The only how and when the conquests were to be made and the details of when and where the inevitable Ukrainian resistance was to be bloodily crushed by armed force.

“They could have simply organized and had a campaign.”

No, because the election campaigns had been increasingly corrupted by the Russians in each election, so Yanukovych’s deal to join Russia instead of the EU forced them to act before Yanukovych and Putin could commit the Ukraine to what was seen as a virtually irreversible subordinate victim of Russian control and looting. Only immediate elections could forestall the Russian moves against the Ukrainian sovereignty.

“They seem to win about every other time, and had a fair shot to do so in 2015.”

On the contrary, there was no shot at holding a fair election, just as we saw I the fake DNR and LNR elections in 2014.

“All of this could have been avoided, thousands of innocent lives spared, and Kiev wouldn’t be covered in Nazi soot.”

Kiev is not “covered in Nazi soot”, which is an all too obvious Russian line of false propaganda. The Ukrainian Fascists hold virtually no power in the Ukrainian government, whereas the Russian Fascists hugely outnumber the Ukrainian Fascists and are in overall control of the Russian Government and its policies of conquering Novorussiya.


49 posted on 02/26/2015 7:11:34 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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