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Norway: Relations with Russia will never again be the same
CNN ^ | Updated 2:06 PM ET, Wed February 25, 2015 | Mick Krever, CNN

Posted on 02/25/2015 4:47:51 PM PST by WhiskeyX

London (CNN)—Western relations with Russia will never again be the same after the war in Ukraine, Norwegian Defense Minister Ine Eriksen Søreide told CNN's Christiane Amanpour on Wednesday.

"We are faced with a different Russia. I want to warn against the fact that some people see this as something that is going to pass. The situation has changed. And it has changed profoundly."

There is "no going back to some sort of normality or some sort of back to normal business. Because that normality does not exist."

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; donetsk; europeanunion; nato; norway; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine; vladtheimploder
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To: jmacusa
He’s insane if thinks he can get away with this. Does he really think he can survive a nuclear exchange with us? All it would take is one and the whole world goes up in flames. China, the Norks and Pakistan aren’t going to sit by and wait to be immolated and neither are the guys standing behind Putin. There’s a Russian tradition of it’s leaders getting ‘’sick’’. Even Stalin, the “Man Of Steel’’ wasn’t immune to the “Kremlin Flu’’, or so it has been alleged. Putin is playing with fire and he’s the one who’ll end up getting burned.

There won't be any nuclear exchange, it's not necessary. The world is going globalist, and globalism is fascism, and fascism doesn't work. Collectivisms are parasitical - they need a host. Globalism has no host - it's all parasitism, all the time. There will never be a global society run by multinationals, because such a thing is not economically sustainable. But they will push for it nevertheless in order to collapse the global economic system. That is what Putin plans on surviving, and he's positioning his assets and claims to be in place before it happens. Nobody manages pre-computer society like Russians, and that's what he plans to be in charge of - rising from the global economic ashes.

21 posted on 02/26/2015 2:20:18 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
The Russians couldn't manage a garage sale. If they could their economy wouldn't be a mess. After the Party collapsed in ‘91 all the managers of the collective farms and industrial plants, the ones crafty and shrewd enough to know how to steal without being caught became the new ‘’biznismen’’. That lasted until the drunken old Bolshevik Yeltsin clamped down on them and got foreign investment and , strangely, a tax system that worked. Things weren't too bad for awhile but then, given the nature of Russians to get greedy, envious, stupid and brutal Yeltsin's ''reforms'' gave rise to the gangster class. The ex-collective managers who wanted their piece of the pie, the former military types and the ex-KGB thugs all looking to become big shots. Maybe a nuclear nightmare is far-fetched but I still think Putin is playing with fire. I'd like to share more discussion with you on this Tallisker but I have to go for a bit. I'll get back to you.
22 posted on 02/26/2015 2:46:59 PM PST by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa

I didn’t mean that Russian (past) communism or (present) cronyism is self-sustaining - I think Putin plans on the collapse of all that, too. What I think he plans on “managing” is what its left, post-collapse, using KGB tactics and the military.

I think Putin sees the multinationals tearing down the planet and simply wants to survive it. So he uses what he has available - in his case, a country. I think he plans on using Russia like an ablative heat shield on a spacecraft that burns away during reentry. So for now he bloats the country’s territorial claims, simplifies the laws towards traditional culture, bulks the military, and stores food and gold. Most of it will burn away in the collapse, but to him, that’s what its for - to absorb the global economic blast. Then when its over, he’s left much smaller but with an army, and he goes from there.

Russians are a very pessimistic people - they love good times but don’t trust them at all. Putin is not “hoping for the best.” He’d find the very idea childish. But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t plan on surviving. And part of that is prepping, while the other part is careful destabilization of other countries so they fall in a favorable way - like a lumberjack feeling a tree where he wants it to fall by undermining its support in specific directions.


23 posted on 02/26/2015 3:04:03 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: goodnesswins

“Yes...the ignorant populace does not know we are fighting a multi front war...”

Not to mention our ignorant “leaders.”


24 posted on 02/26/2015 3:37:35 PM PST by EDINVA
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