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To: jmacusa

With respect, I don’t think there is much of a comparison. At the time, the USSR was a massively equipped but morale-based vacuum. My understanding (which could be wrong) was that the Russkies were mostly conscripts who hadn’t the slightest interest in Afghanistan anything. Secondly, the Afghans were fighting for their own country and willing to take massive casualties. (I have no idea the relative casualty numbers, I have heard the Russians suffered 15K dead) Now it is true that perhaps the comparison can be made that the Ukrainians would be fighting for their country but the Russians think that way about the Ukraine almost as much as the Ukrs. Thirdly, the Russian forces WILL HAVE that massively superior firepower should they need it. Which is why I don’t think that and foreign-fueled escalation will lead anywhere but to a wider and more bloody war. My opinion is that Putin is in no mood to suffer anything resembling a defeat in Ukr. Let me be clear, it is a complete piece of crap situation IMO but I frankly see no way foreign forces are going to achieve anything there other than a massive episode of bloodshed.

The West made a serious mistake when the USSR imploded. It welcomed membership of former bloc nations into NATO and that on the surface was possibly a good thing from the democracy standpoint, but it rubbed the Russian noses in their own poop and strategically placed potential adversaries on and up to Russias’ borders; something they have the historical right to be very sensitive to. The West took this a bridge too far when they clumsily intervened in the Ukraine.

I just don’t see this turning out well. The part of Ukraine which wants to unite with Russia which as I understand it is the industrialized East, their infrastructure is just going to be destroyed in this internecine fighting. The agricultural 18th century western part of Ukraine probably mostly wants to merge with Europe, so yet another backwards country can be loaded onto the Eurozone and its potential recovery. But not before thousands of people and plenty of industrial capability will be destroyed. It’s a crappy situation.


22 posted on 02/24/2015 7:35:11 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

The Russian army is much weaker than then, and it still depends on poorly trained, poorly equipped, 1 year draftees.

Let’s bleed the Russians as much as we can, the more they suffer trying to conquer this nation on our NATO borders, then the better position it puts us in if we have to fight to protect ourselves from their next invasion.


25 posted on 02/24/2015 7:42:10 PM PST by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

All you have to do is look at Russian Social Media to see that to them this isn’t “Russia taking Ukraine”, but rather “Russians Helping Russians!”.

They look like them, they speak like them, and until some 20 years ago, they WERE them. The Korsun massacre, Russians incinerated in Odessa, and Russians killed in Mariupol by ACTUAL NAZI’s cemented the images of another “Great Patriotic War” into the Russian mindset.

And they clearly blame Obama for it.
Not “America”, but OBAMA...


27 posted on 02/24/2015 7:44:47 PM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

You listen to too much Dan Carlin.


28 posted on 02/24/2015 7:46:30 PM PST by impimp
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
As I said, I suspect the old paradigms probably don't apply anymore but one thing is certain. If you read into the history of the two countries, or ''peoples'', if you will, you'll find while the Russians may have looked on the Ukraine as theirs and Ukrainians as ''little brothers'', the Ukrainian people have not felt the same way.
41 posted on 02/24/2015 8:04:09 PM PST by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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