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To: Olog-hai
Trespass and theft are not legal grounds for use of lethal force in any state, even if the "bait" issue doesn't apply. You have to make a plausible case that you felt your life at risk when you shoot somebody in alleged self-defense.

You may disagree, and I think that I made clear that I have absolutely no sympathy for burglars when they're shot, but the law is the law.

23 posted on 02/13/2015 8:51:36 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

“Trespass and theft are not legal grounds for use of lethal force in any state,”

Trespass (in an occupied dwelling) and just the suspicion of ANY other crime is grounds for the use of lethal force in Colorado.


37 posted on 02/13/2015 8:56:50 AM PST by thorvaldr
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To: ek_hornbeck

Then you’ve endorsed every liberal turn of the “law” that the liberals have forced on us. These are specifically worded to protect criminals, remember.


41 posted on 02/13/2015 8:59:28 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: ek_hornbeck

“Trespass and theft are not legal grounds for use of lethal force in any state”

Under some circumstances it is in Texas.


78 posted on 02/13/2015 9:22:24 AM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Actually , in Texas after dark it is legal.


178 posted on 02/13/2015 2:54:20 PM PST by rmichaelj
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To: ek_hornbeck
"Trespass and theft are not legal grounds for use of lethal force in any state, even if the "bait" issue doesn't apply. You have to make a plausible case that you felt your life at risk when you shoot somebody in alleged self-defense."

To clarify, there are various jurisdictions that allow the use of deadly force in various circumstances *other than self-defense*.

But a claim of self-defense does require, among other things, that you have a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm. If you don't then it's not self-defense, although it's possible in some places, in some circumstances, it might be justified.

181 posted on 02/13/2015 3:26:35 PM PST by mlo
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To: ek_hornbeck

“Trespass and theft are not legal grounds for use of lethal force in any state...”

In Washington state, you can use lethal force to prevent a felony against you or anyone else (neighbor, stanger, etc.) Includes felony theft. And includes shooting them in the back as they are fleeing with your stuff. Not saying that is what I neccesarily would do in all circumstances, but that is the law.

Even so, with this guy in the garage that was open (no “breaking and entering”), it was dark, the homeowner was firing blindly, so he didn’t know if the guy was in there to steal something valuable or a 6-pack of beer. (A 6-pack wouldn’t amount to a felony).


188 posted on 02/16/2015 3:08:10 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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