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To: MtnMan101
Really? You believe that there is a fire and brimstone Hell in the bowels of the Earth or elsewhere? This is why I got into a cluster with a religious fanatic earlier? You people actually believe that the entire unfathomable Universe is that simplistic?

So, since you're so sure how Hell looks like, please tell me what Heaven looks like. Is it the reverse graphics with clear skies, flowing warm clouds, pearly gates, bright shining lights, people floating around in a mist, full body experience that feels all our 5 senses, connecting with past family that we didn't like nor had a relationship in life, etc.? What? Please tell me, I sincerely want to know.

60 posted on 02/05/2015 11:50:57 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

Keep up that rage pal and you’ll have the answer to that question sooner than you thinnk.


64 posted on 02/06/2015 1:19:59 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: A Navy Vet

Have you ever been wounded so bad in war that you faced death? I only ask as the vets I know who have turned to the Lord. I did when I went into shock. I am glad I did.


71 posted on 02/06/2015 4:17:26 AM PST by Lumper20 ( clown in Chief has own Gov employees Gestapo)
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To: A Navy Vet
You people actually believe that the entire unfathomable Universe is that simplistic?

Are you so sure that in the entire unfathomable universe that there is no God?

As you are now, so once was I, blessings my friend.

72 posted on 02/06/2015 4:29:18 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: A Navy Vet
Really? You believe that there is a fire and brimstone Hell in the bowels of the Earth or elsewhere? This is why I got into a cluster with a religious fanatic earlier? You people actually believe that the entire unfathomable Universe is that simplistic?

As a Christian, I've come to understand that the universe has a central organizing power Who is well beyond our human ability to envision. His creation is as infinite in the microcosm, as we are now discovering scientifically, as it is in the macrocosm of space, galaxies, etc. What happens when a human actually admits to his or her probable size, scale of influence and scope of intelligence in such a vast system is to recognize that oneself is not the system designer, any more than a program on your computer is the inventor of itself or even the user of the computer.

Metaphorically, if you will, this degree of mathematical certainty of your relative scale in the face of infinity is called, on the down side, "being a sinner", as in "I am created by a Power greater than myself, and as such I am a reflection of the genius of my Creator, but I am still corruptible, and if I get out of line I can corrupt a lot of other data in my midst and possibly be deleted by corruption or by the user. I need a good System Operator to save me from destruction."

On the up side, the deep realization that you didn't create yourself and you can't control or even fully understand the system you are in can be the moment when you throw yourself on the mercy of the System Operator and say, "Christ, please save me. Keep me from destruction. I am corruptible, and have caused havoc in the system before. Please reprogram me and drive out the bugs so I can go on operating my unique functions." At this point you have what Christians call "the peace that passes understanding." It is the peace of faith in Christ and reliance on Him, and on the Word of God.

How do we get the Word of God? Many ways. Some discussed below.


So, since you're so sure how Hell looks like, please tell me what Heaven looks like.... Please tell me, I sincerely want to know.

It would surpass the ability of a mere human to describe it. What is more important is that you come to a faith in your Salvation from corruption and error. Then, you will not fear what may come next, and will welcome it, because of your faith. And to quote the scriptures I have come to understand as
Basic
Instructions
Before
Leaving
Earth,

...which may be regarded as the User's Manual, "Faith comes by hearing the Word of God."

You may hear the Word of God by reading the scriptures and recognizing that some of the language is history, some is common human experience and some is symbolic, but that through patience and study you can make at least as much sense out of it as your computer's User Manuals for the hardware and software.

Or, you can pray earnestly, with an open mind and heart to receive inspiration and understanding.

You can study what others have written, seeking out very good scholarship. You can ask questions, as you are now doing, and find sincere people who can reach you with respect to walk you through some of the "program."

Most important is to pray and ask God Himself for help, certainly appealing directly not only to the Designer Himself but also to Jesus Christ and to what is called, for want of a more precise term in your understanding, the Holy Spirit. (The Holy Spirit is everything from a divine version of a search engine or an accessible encyclopedia to an unseen remote help desk with wireless programming capability.) As answers start to come remotely, your individual device (self) starts to operate more smoothly. You didn't have to do it all yourself. You can just operate on the programming principles most of the time. When there is a glitch in the future, you will know how to access the help desk right away, before the corruption spreads.

86 posted on 02/06/2015 8:16:04 AM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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