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(U.K.) Judge Rules Mother of Six Who Has Learning Disabilities Can be Forcibly Sterilized
Life News ^ | 2/4/15 | Sarah Zagorski

Posted on 02/04/2015 8:53:58 AM PST by wagglebee

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A representative of the Court of Protection, Michael Horne, said, “The issues have nothing to do with eugenics. It is a 'therapeutic' sterilization in that it most effectively mitigates the grave risks to health and life that a further pregnancy could bring."

No, it's eugenics, they can relabel it however they want, but in the end it's just another way of saying, "three generations of imbeciles is enough."


1 posted on 02/04/2015 8:53:59 AM PST by wagglebee
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3 posted on 02/04/2015 8:55:04 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Well, their royal family is German, so that makes sense.


4 posted on 02/04/2015 8:56:24 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: wagglebee

Oh, there’s nothing to worry about. This will be a unique one-time-only case. Trust me. /sarc


5 posted on 02/04/2015 8:58:09 AM PST by Seruzawa (All those memories will be lost,in time, like tears in rain.)
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Sanger would be proud...

So... when do they start adding Depo-Provera to municipal water supply for Southside Chicago? That would be an excellent solution to the "gun violence problem" Chicago seems to have.

Sarc tag or no? Hmmmm?

Either way I will be flamed by the Catholics, like I just invited them to my annual kitten barbeque.

6 posted on 02/04/2015 9:05:01 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: wagglebee

As much as I want to scream at the government for this one, we need to actually look at the decision making capabilities of the woman. My wife worked as a social worker in NJ, and there were women with “learning disabilities” who had no capability of saying “no”.

I am going to research this, but I have a feeling the six children are from different fathers who took advantage of her learning disability.


7 posted on 02/04/2015 9:08:21 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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I am NOMAD. Sterilize. Sterilize!

9 posted on 02/04/2015 9:15:11 AM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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“...different fathers who took advantage of her learning disability.”

THAT right there is criminal.


10 posted on 02/04/2015 9:20:50 AM PST by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: wagglebee

Carrie Buck all over again.


11 posted on 02/04/2015 9:21:59 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: wbarmy

The health department’s argument was that having more children put her health and life at risk. Like you I will reserve judgment without more information. If this woman does not have the cognitive ability to understand the health risks that further pregnancies could bring, they may have a case. I would need to know what those “serious health risks” are.

Many women in America can’t say no. Look at our welfare rolls. This is not justification for involuntary sterilization. Sexual intercourse with a person who is a ward of the state or has a guardian due to diminished mental capacity would be rape and the offender (s) should be charged and prosecuted.

I am a former public health nurse myself, and different children from different fathers is the norm these days. Involuntary sterilization won’t change the culture that promotes fornication with whomever is around at the moment.


12 posted on 02/04/2015 9:23:41 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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Correct, but the “privacy” of the mother is more paramount than catching some felon abusing women. Just like not snitching on the adults who abuse young girls then force them to get abortions.


13 posted on 02/04/2015 9:39:14 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: longfellowsmuse

The solution is to cut the welfare rolls and not to infringe upon people’s inherent freedoms...


14 posted on 02/04/2015 9:39:52 AM PST by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: wagglebee

Pro-life organizations should interview this woman and her children as soon as possible, taking days, if needed, to produce a full length movie showing her to be human and worthy of the rights of humans.

Note that the government has gone to lengths to prevent her from being humanized. No pictures of her or her children, no sympathetic points of view. Just to keep it in terms of a “sterile”, laboratory point of view. As if she was a lab rat.

This eugenics will only end when people see her human face, and can imagine themselves in her shoes.


15 posted on 02/04/2015 9:41:04 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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Many women in America can’t say no.

I disagree with that statement. It is not that they can't say no, they WON'T say no, because there is no fiscal or moral reason to.

The woman we are discussing really seems to be unable to SAY no, and it is rape.
16 posted on 02/04/2015 9:43:30 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: wagglebee

If forced sterilization is intended to protect her life, then what’s going to protect her from deadly STD’s? Whether they sterilize her or not, her life is still at risk!

As much as I hate those things, why don’t they just insert the sticks in her arm? Those are good for years.


17 posted on 02/04/2015 10:24:37 AM PST by PrairieLady2
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bump!


18 posted on 02/04/2015 10:31:26 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wbarmy

You are of course correct and that is the meaning I meant to infer with my comment.

And yes, it is rape. The solution however is not to take away the freedom of the victim. I am assuming you are not suggesting that once she is sterilized then raping her becomes OK, because while pregnancy may not be possible disease and death certainly still are.


19 posted on 02/04/2015 10:33:17 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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What do they mean by “a learning disability”? That’s so broad a category as to be almost meaningless. Is there any evidence that she is a bad mother? Are her children abused or neglected? Why did the Court of Protection think that they should step in? Was it simply the number of children to which this one woman had given birth?

It’s shocking to me that government has so little regard for the rights of its citizens.


20 posted on 02/04/2015 10:43:15 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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