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Norfolk speaker criticizes response to Islamic threats (Ayaan Hirsi Ali)
Virginian-Pilot ^ | February 4, 2015 | Philip Walzer

Posted on 02/04/2015 2:54:56 AM PST by csvset

NORFOLK

Ayaan Hirsi Ali stood before a slide of the caged Jordanian pilot about to be set afire by Islamic State group extremists.

That, she said at Chrysler Hall on Tuesday night, will be the norm if they are not defeated.

"You are going to see people beheaded, their hands and legs cut off, the mass enslavement of women," warned Hirsi Ali, a sharp critic of Muslim leaders and radicals and an advocate of women's rights.

"We have had over a long period of time... even before the Reagan administration, so many warning signs that we have ignored," Hirsi Ali said. "But now we have no more excuse to ignore them."

In an interview Tuesday, she labeled the Western response to Islamic threats as "incoherent and haphazard."

During her speech at the Norfolk Forum, she advocated "a battle of ideas.... Their slogan is, 'We love death.' Ours should be, 'We love life, and we're going to fight for it to the end.' That is an easy war to win."

Hirsi Ali grew up a Muslim in Somalia. She was subjected to genital mutilation and fled to the Netherlands to escape an arranged marriage to a stranger. There, she served in the Parliament from 2003 to 2006.

She wrote the script for the 2004 movie "Submission," criticizing Muslim attitudes toward women. That year, the director, Theo van Gogh, was murdered. His killer pinned a death threat against Hirsi Ali with a knife to van Gogh's body.

Hirsi Ali serves as a fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, part of Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government.

During her lecture, she drew connections between radical groups such as the Islamic State and Muslim countries with which the United States has relations.

Pakistan, she said, "mocked us. For years, they helped Osama bin Laden, and we found him without their assistance." Saudi Arabia has supplied the Islamic State group with volunteers and imprisons people for such crimes as "drinking alcohol, being homosexual and for charges of indecency, whatever that means," Hirsi Ali said.

She also criticized Turkey's president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and dismissed U.S. attempts to negotiate with Iran.

All of them want to see a "global order that is based on the constitution of the Quran," Hirsi Ali said. "Where all these groups differ is the means to get to that place. Now there is no excuse not to see it."

Hirsi Ali, who has renounced Islam, said she has "no faith" in "so-called interfaith dialogues." "I see one side pushing for their values and the other side trying to accommodate and accommodate."

She won a standing ovation at the end of her talk and several bursts of applause throughout. But she also has faced criticism for her fierce critiques of the Muslim world. Brandeis University in Massachusetts last year withdrew an invitation for her to receive an honorary degree, saying her "past statements are inconsistent" with the school's values.

She has been quoted as calling Islam "a destructive, nihilistic cult of death" and "the new fascism." Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, called her "one of the worst of the worst of the Islam haters in America."

In the interview Tuesday, Hirsi Ali said Brandeis' administrators bowed to "Muslim students with strong voices who felt that a Jewish university was doing something that was against their values."

She added: "If you read all of my work, I am not using a broad brush. We all know there are multitudes - millions and millions - of people who have no say over their own lives. I'm not talking about those people."

Hirsi Ali said she is focusing on the "jihadis" who are in charge in the Muslim world. "We are at war against the jihadi elite."

She brought up Jordanian pilot Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh in the interview: "We thought in the West that we had put that kind of thing behind us a long time ago. That's the kind of evil we are facing. They have the audacity to put images like that on YouTube to be watched by every child, every woman, every man."

But Ali added: "I don't know if we agree that this is an evil we have to defeat."


TOPICS: Egypt; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events; Syria; US: Virginia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali speaks at The Norfolk Forum on Tuesday, Feb. 3, 2015, at Chrysler Hall. (Stephen M. Katz | The Virginian-Pilot)

Why more women don't speak out Islam is a mystery.

1 posted on 02/04/2015 2:54:57 AM PST by csvset
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To: csvset

>> Why more women don’t speak out Islam is a mystery. <<

Afraid, brain washed, low information ...

Still, there are a few who are speaking out.


2 posted on 02/04/2015 4:46:45 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: csvset
This history of Muslim terror attacks in the US may interest you:

Date Country City/State Killed Injured Description
4/14/1972 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1/19/1973 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
7/1/1973 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.
7/18/1973 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
10/19/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
10/29/1973 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
11/25/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/11/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
12/13/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/20/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
12/22/1973 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
12/24/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1/24/1974 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
4/1/1974 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
4/16/1974 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
3/9/1977 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
7/22/1980 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
8/31/1980 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
11/6/1989 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.
1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
11/5/1990 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1/25/1993 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
2/26/1993 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
3/1/1994 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.
3/23/1997 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
4/3/1997 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
3/17/2000 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
9/11/2001 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
9/11/2001 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
9/11/2001 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
9/5/2002 USA Clinton, MD 1 0 A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.
9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
8/6/2003 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
12/2/2003 USA Chicago, IL 1 0 A Muslim doctor deliberately allows a Jewish patient to die from an easily treatable condition.
4/13/2004 USA Raleigh, NC 1 4 An angry Muslim runs down five strangers with a car.
4/15/2004 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
6/16/2006 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim gunman in an unprovoked terror attack.
6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
7/6/2008 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2/12/2009 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
4/12/2009 USA Phoenix, AZ 2 0 A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.
6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
11/2/2009 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
11/5/2009 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
12/4/2009 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
4/14/2010 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
4/30/2011 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
9/11/2011 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
1/15/2012 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim.
2/7/2013 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
3/24/2013 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
4/15/2013 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
4/19/2013 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
8/4/2013 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
3/6/2014 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.
4/27/2014 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
6/1/2014 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
6/25/2014 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.
9/25/2014 USA Moore, OK 1 1 A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.

(3,102 killed by Muslims in America in 74 terror attacks)


3 posted on 02/04/2015 7:34:22 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

You left out the Murrah Federal Building bombing in OKC on 4/19/95.


4 posted on 02/04/2015 8:57:48 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Have a great hump day.


5 posted on 02/04/2015 9:47:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary men)
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To: JimRed

If you have some proof that it was done by a Muslim, I’d be interested in seeing it.


6 posted on 02/04/2015 6:16:05 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Here goes:

While liberal news outlets such as MSNBC were cynically exploiting the April 19 anniversary of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing by attempting to tie the terrorist attack to the anti-government sentiments of the modern-day Tea Party movement, investigative reporter Jayna Davis was setting the record straight in an exclusive interview on the AIM radio show, Take AIM. The Oklahoma City bombing was an Arab/Muslim terrorist attack on the United States, she says.

Davis, author of a blockbuster book on the attack, The Third Terrorist, has examined and presented the evidence showing that Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh was in fact a front man for Middle Eastern terrorists. The third terrorist, in addition to the two, McVeigh and Terry Nichols, who were convicted, was an Arab. This was the mysterious “John Doe” who was never found. But other members of an Arab terrorist network were involved, she says.

She says the evidence was ignored and dismissed because the Clinton Administration didn’t want to go to war with Iraq, the likely culprit, and wanted to blame the attack on domestic right-wingers for political reasons.

The implications of what Davis has to say are that the case is still unsolved, that the FBI blew it, and that we may still be vulnerable to Arab terrorists infiltrating the U.S. and killing hundreds or thousands of innocent Americans.

Indeed, Davis suggested in her AIM interview that another attack on American soil may be coming, perhaps from the same networks which sponsored McVeigh.

Liberal media like MSNBC have peddled the false notion that McVeigh was motivated by domestic hatred of the government, and that the Tea Party movement is motivated by the same. Hence, by extension, the Tea Party movement will probably spawn anti-government fanatics who will kill people. This claim justifies government repression of anti-Obama political dissidents who may in fact be entirely peaceful and simply exercising their constitutional rights.

One of the problems with the MSNBC narrative is that Davis makes a convincing case that in fact McVeigh “was a handpicked dupe, set up to take the fall in order to save his Islamic collaborators from prosecution.” She documents that he had expressed a desire to be a mercenary for Middle Eastern terrorists, and that the trail of evidence that both he and his accomplice Terry Nichols left behind points in the direction of an Arab/Muslim connection to the attack.

Indeed, Davis portrays Oklahoma City as one in a series of attacks engineered by foreign enemies of the United States that includes the 1993 World Trade Center bombing as well as the 9/11 attacks themselves.

Over the years, Accuracy in Media has run numerous stories about Davis, her evidence, and other reports indicating a Middle Eastern connection to the Oklahoma City bombing. Wes Vernon wrote a 2007 AIM Report on the obstacles confronted by Davis as she tried to tell the story in the media, including on television.

As Davis noted in her interview with me on Take AIM, her book, The Third Terrorist, outlines details of sworn affidavits from very credible witnesses who link the convicted bombers, McVeigh and Nichols, to former Iraqi soldiers who had managed to settle in the U.S. These individuals turned out to be anti-American infiltrators who wanted revenge on the U.S. for our Middle East policy.

Davis provided similar detail in an article she wrote for AmericanThinker.com on April 23. Her interview with me the day before can be heard here. The transcript of the interview is here.

This is not what the liberals in the media want to hear. They want to believe, as then-President Clinton claimed at the time, that McVeigh had no foreign connection and was motivated to kill innocent Americans because he hated federal authorities for staging a bloody raid on a religious compound in Waco, Texas. Clinton actually went further, blaming conservative talk radio for motivating McVeigh to kill.

Playing her part in this continuing version of events, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow narrated a show on the anniversary of the bombing that focused on 45 hours of taped audio interviews with McVeigh made by Lou Michel, a reporter from the Buffalo News who co-authored the book, American Terrorist, with Dan Herbeck.

In Maddow’s introduction to the show, she made her dubious point loud and clear: “Nine years after his execution, we are left worrying that Timothy McVeigh’s voice from the grave echoes in a new rising tide of American anti-government extremism.”

This has been a dominant MSNBC theme–that McVeigh was a right-wing anti-government zealot, similar to those in today’s Tea Party movement–on the network’s line-up of left-wing advocacy shows that air and re-air from 5 p.m. to 5 a.m. ET on weekdays.

It is a theme that former President Bill Clinton revisited in a New York Times op-ed and in TV interviews leading up to the April 19th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing. Like Maddow, Clinton hinted that the Tea Party movement could motivate people to kill, in the same way that McVeigh did

Davis told me that Clinton actually got a political boost by claiming no foreign connection to the attack and blaming talk radio.

Davis said the government didn’t pursue the evidence linking McVeigh to Middle Eastern terrorists because Clinton knew that the arrest of a foreign suspect on American soil “would cry out for a military response to take out Saddam Hussein.” He didn’t want to go to war with the Arabs. Instead, he decided to go to war with talk radio, a more convenient target.

For investigating a foreign connection, Davis said she was called a racist. “I’m an NBC affiliated reporter, I was from the mainstream media, but I was branded a racist, and politically incorrect, because I was pursuing legitimate leads and evidence that led to foreign involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing,” she said. “So by virtue of securing his [1996] White House bid by blaming right-wing rhetoric for inciting Timothy McVeigh, Bill Clinton was able to seal the case. That was it. It was domestic, home-grown terrorism. And now, fifteen years later, he comes out with the temerity and absolute audacity to try to compare these Tea Party conservatives with a bloodthirsty terrorist. I mean, nothing could be further from the truth. “

The parts of the story that Maddow and the rest of the liberal media choose to leave out point overwhelmingly to Middle Eastern terrorists being in control of the plot. And because they want to discredit the Tea Party movement, which poses a threat to the Obama Administration and Democratic Party control of Congress, these elements of the story will continue to be ignored as long as the official authorities fail to prosecute the real culprits.

Jayna Davis’s book, her investigation, and reporting methods have been endorsed by several authorities, including former CIA director Jim Woolsey and former congressional investigator David Schippers, who wrote the foreword for the book.

I asked Davis what it will take for the version of history that she has largely written to become the accepted narrative of what really happened. She said the people have to continue to press the authorities and the major media, even at this late date, for the truthful answers.

“Here’s where I think it, it lies: It’s going to have to be the peasants with the pitchforks,” she said, referring to popular disgust with the official version of the story. “These people are going to have to rise up, just like the Tea Party movement is angry about Washington policies that affect their pocketbooks and the future of their children and the national deficit. They’re going to have to rise up and demand that this record is corrected.”

Otherwise, she said, the liberal left will continue to use their version of Oklahoma City to smear anybody critical of their control of the federal government.

She explained, “They’re going to continue to label anybody who carries a placard or raises a voice of dissent in a peaceful protest as a ‘Tim McVeigh wannabe.’ And until The Third Terrorist, and this evidence embodied in my book, is actually proven, prosecuted, and validated in a courtroom setting, the label of ‘Tim McVeigh wannabe’ is going to continue to be attached to God-fearing Americans who dare to step forward and question and hold to account their elected officials.”

She added, “My belief is, the best way to get this into a courtroom, and to finally seek justice for the slain of April 19th, 1995, is to pressure the District Attorney of Oklahoma County, who single-handedly holds the legal power to go out and arrest these Arab suspects and put them on trial. He does not need the permission of the federal government. He can act single-handedly, either put it before a grand jury and issue an indictment, or he can just issue arrest warrants based on the evidence and talk to the witnesses.”

Davis disclosed that she recently wrote a letter to David Prater, the District Attorney, knowing this anniversary was coming up. “I offered the assistance of David Schippers, the seasoned litigator, who was responsible for prosecuting the impeachment trial of Bill Clinton, who is intimately familiar with my evidence,” she said. “He agreed to work side-by-side with him to put together a prosecution’s case.”

“It is time this is heard in a court of law,” she concludes. “These men that have committed wholesale mass murder are walking free. One of those men had specific prior knowledge of 9/11. What does that Iraqi soldier now know about the next attack within our borders? Nobody’s even questioned him.”
• Oklahoma County District Attorney David Prater’s telephone number is 405-713-1600 and he can also be contacted here. Please ask respectfully that he act on the evidence presented by Jayna Davis.

Links:

http://www.aim.org/podcast/take-aim-jayna-davis-on-okc-third-terrorist/


7 posted on 02/05/2015 7:45:14 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

Thanks, I’ll try to give it the attention it deserves.


8 posted on 02/05/2015 8:52:03 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America.)
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