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To: Hulka
Two issues: first, minimizing the suffering of the innocent is the way to wage just war; second, proportionality is a consideration when targeting and civilians may be hurt.

What is the military gain when compared to the suffering to the innocent. That is a key question that is asked

The problem is: how is a submarine commander to determine this? Or, for that matter, a bomber pilot or an artillery officer?

As I recall, every belligerent in WW II operated on the principle of "Unrestricted Submarine Warfare" -- which presumed that an enemy-flagged ship operating in a war zone was carrying military personnel and/or materiel. And, was, thus fair game. The only exception was hospital ships -- which were painted white and adorned with a red cross.

Civilians traveled thereon at their own risk...and were warned accordingly at the ports of embarkation.

At the same time, though, the principle of "Unrestricted Submarine Warfare" was a murky area within the international laws of war. Recall the >Lusitania incident in WW I. For that reason, I recollect that WW II public dispatches never identified submarine captains or crewmen by name.

59 posted on 02/01/2015 7:26:27 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTEAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01
“The problem is: how is a submarine commander to determine this? Or, for that matter, a bomber pilot or an artillery officer?”

A problem, indeed. That is why subs back then, and today, make an effort to determine the type and mission of the ship. . .except for Italy and Germany in WWII. I don't recall ALL belligerents engaged in unrestricted sub warfare. I believe we didn't do that.

Ref bomber pilots or artillery. . .spotters, forward air controllers and targeting Intel play that role.

65 posted on 02/01/2015 7:38:14 AM PST by Hulka
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