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To: manc

“not the cops fault obviously, it’s the local law makers who made that dumb law.”

Teenagers, male and female, came to the front door of an elderly WWII Army combat veteran and his elderly wife to solicit. After opening the front door and talking to the teenagers, they knocked him down to the floor, brutally beat and kicked him until he was mortally injured, beat and kicked his wife until her ribs were broken and a lung was punctured, looted their home, and left them both for dead. The husband died, and the wife survived with permanent injuries.

The laws discouraging soliciting on private property and homes are justifiable for far more important reasons than just the nuisance factor.

What needs to be done is to provide a middleground which protects homeowner safety and privacy while also encouraging initiative among the honest and hardworking youth.


22 posted on 01/29/2015 5:56:28 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

And we’d all be safer if our government would only be more like Cuba. I also like your (ab)use of an anecdote. It goes along the logic of, “A Roman Catholic priest abused a kid, therefore, the Roman Catholic Church must be banned.” You don’t look at individual culpability, you try to “fix” one event by assuming all other events will follow that pattern, no matter how anomalous and no matter how absurd the consequences of that “fix” become.

“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” -Franklin

“If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” -Sam Adams


37 posted on 01/29/2015 6:15:52 AM PST by cizinec (Liberty is the only political "party" that deserves our loyalty.)
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To: WhiskeyX
Not only is it dangerous, it's a nuisance having people solicit me in my home. Infuriating, even. Get off my property. Do not interrupt me in my castle.

I'm wondering how many people here deriding this law are plagued by door to door solicitations? Not many, I'd wager.

Personally, I wouldn't put neighborhood kids after a snow storm in that category. In our neighborhood, the kids will walk through the street with shovels. I always assumed they did it because they were too shy to knock on doors, but some of them are probably doing it to get around our solicitations permits.

41 posted on 01/29/2015 6:18:55 AM PST by old and tired
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To: WhiskeyX
Teenagers, male and female, came to the front door of an elderly WWII Army combat veteran and his elderly wife to solicit. After opening the front door and talking to the teenagers, they knocked him down to the floor, brutally beat and kicked him until he was mortally injured, beat and kicked his wife until her ribs were broken and a lung was punctured, looted their home, and left them both for dead. The husband died, and the wife survived with permanent injuries.

Talk about a disconnect with reality. Geeze, man. Do you think a law prohibiting door to door solicitation would have prevented those violent criminals from going door to door to look for victims?

What kind of liberal logic is that?

So teens can't get work shoveling snow without forking out $500 for a permit and that is to prevent criminals from breaking in and killing people?

I really don't get your logic. That sounds like something we would read on some left wing blog.

45 posted on 01/29/2015 6:22:49 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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To: WhiskeyX

As a teenager some of us friends would go to visit an elderly couple and the man was a WW1 vet. He would share stories and what-not, serve us tea— I think we helped him with a chore or two. Yeh Mr. Jones was our friend who was just a lifetime older than us.
The horrible thought of ever hurting that old couple never crossed the mind.


46 posted on 01/29/2015 6:22:55 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny, dontchyaknow.)
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