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To: rollo tomasi
If Jesus welcomed and allowed prostitutes to keep on turning tricks within His ministry then the comment you praised that was associated with this news story would not have been an logical fallacy. Should the lesbian receive Communion and should the Catholic Church offer the Sacrament of Matrimony to this lesbian couple? That is the meat of this situation. The elementary business about sinners being welcomed is already dealt with because every believer was that lady before and have been washed cleaned. The debate is whether or not the lady's sins should be accepted and celebrated within the Church. Case in point, I was a fornicator and drug abuser. However when I joined the Church I did not celebrate my acceptance by snorting coke on the pews and fornicating with the nearest hottest female in the Church.

You are assuming that the Pope told them that their lifestyle was fine and dandy and IAW Catholic doctrine. Unless he did that, your argument is false and the fallacy lies with you. The comment I praised was truth to the point - Jesus hung out with sinners because it wasn't the well that need ministering to..

I started as a Catholic and opted for non-denominational because the Catholics put way too much adoration upon mortal men and women and also seems to think it can pre-judge whether or not someone should be able to commune with God/Jesus. You may be able to stop the "unclean" from participating in your sacraments, but you cannot keep them from doing as Jesus instructed when He said, "When you do this, do it in remembrance of Me".

Just as Jonah tried to stay away from those in Ninevah because he considered them too bad to be saved, you cannot stop God from redeeming those who do not fit into your doctrine/tenets/canons. You would be more in line with His Word and His wishes if you put as much effort into ministry to them than you do in trying to self-righteously condemning them - you don't have that authority - He is the Authority on things you wish you could control.

57 posted on 01/27/2015 1:00:05 PM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
"... to self-righteously condemning them - you don't have that authority -"

Hyperbole much about condemnation, where is that at? Her home Church already told her what she needed to do to get back into the good graces of the Church. She caused a scene and the Pope did a photo-op. Why? She left the meeting declaring that a family will be formed within the Church with her girlfriend (In another article). The conclusion does not take much thought on how the meeting went if you actually learn more about this story.

Also since I am a male who has chosen to remain a male as well as her Pastor and mother, who she defied (After her death btw) by attempting to become a "male", I and they are sure as Christmas can righteously judge this already self admitted "Christian" lesbian trying to pervert the Church by strong arming her way in having the Church celebrate and accept her sin.

1 Corinthians gives the Pastor, Bishop, and yes, Congregation to *Judge* her full admittance into the Church. That fact that she already claims to be a practicing Catholic does not ring a bell at the main intentions (Hello).

The believers are to judge within. If this lady was a non-Christian you would be correct.

However you don't seem to know the difference between judging and condemning as well as what Jesus meant by righteous judgment (Who commanded us to do that btw) so unless you can grasp that along with 1 Corinthians 5, I Corinthians 1:10,etc... come back at me with something of substance.
58 posted on 01/27/2015 1:46:55 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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