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To: Godebert

From “The Father of the Constitution, Congressman James Madison:”
“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States. It will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”—Abridgment of the Debates of Congress, from 1789 to 1856 From Gales and Seatons’ Annals of Congress; from Their Register of Debates; and from the Official Reported Debates, by John C. Rives By United States. Congress, Thomas Hart Benton

And jumping ahead 223 years:
Purpura & Moran v Obama: New Jersey Administrative Law Judge Jeff S. Masin: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here.

The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.” April 10, 2012


154 posted on 02/08/2015 12:13:25 PM PST by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Nero Germanicus
Your Madison quote is of course completely out of context. The debate involved the Citizenship status of a Mr. Smith of South Carolina and wether he was eligible to be seated in Congress. The debate had nothing to do with the meaning of the term 'natural born Citizen'.

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Regarding your New Jersey administrative law judge..... So what.

156 posted on 02/09/2015 5:04:56 AM PST by Godebert
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